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They haven't even got 4K down right yet. Idiots!
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I think I could pull off 10K using 5 G90s and 5 Marquee Ultras. Love to do it just for giggles, but I don't have the space.
Imagine a CRT projected image 40 feet wide and (roughly) 12 feet tall. Who wants to calibrate, converge, and color balance match that setup?
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | They haven't even got 4K down right yet. Idiots! |
Yeah, same sh*t, different year. I honestly want to throw up when I see new specs like this especially when the current versions are still in flux 
Sometimes I just want to give up. I've had clients tell me for the past two years that they won't buy new hardware until 8k is out. WTF for?!?
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| cmjohnson wrote: | I think I could pull off 10K using 5 G90s and 5 Marquee Ultras. Love to do it just for giggles, but I don't have the space.
Imagine a CRT projected image 40 feet wide and (roughly) 12 feet tall. Who wants to calibrate, converge, and color balance match that setup? |
Or pay for the HVAC and electricity required to run something like that!
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | | They haven't even got 4K down right yet. Idiots! |
Yeah, same sh*t, different year. I honestly want to throw up when I see new specs like this especially when the current versions are still in flux
Sometimes I just want to give up. I've had clients tell me for the past two years that they won't buy new hardware until 8k is out. WTF for?!?
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Oh Craig there are always people that like shinny new objects even if no-one know how to make them work. 
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| cmjohnson wrote: | I think I could pull off 10K using 5 G90s and 5 Marquee Ultras. Love to do it just for giggles, but I don't have the space.
Imagine a CRT projected image 40 feet wide and (roughly) 12 feet tall. Who wants to calibrate, converge, and color balance match that setup? |
you should do that. and when you get your blending solution working.... post again.
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| kal wrote: | I agree Craig. I get the same comments. They don't seem to understand that clients don't like flux. Nobody expects things to sit 100% still forever, but c'mon! Finish what you started before starting on the next round. It's just plain stupid.
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Thats just the other side of the same coin. On one side are the buyers that like anything shinny and new and then there are those on the other side that produce stuff just because they can. These people deserve each other.
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Not just "because they can," but "because they want to keep selling stuff." If they sold you the last shiny thing, it doesn't do them any good if you just use it an enjoy it. They need you to buy another shiny thing...
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saw a documentary about how "we" pollute ourselves with this sh*t: kate raworth doughnut economics
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When I was a teen I always looked for the gear with that one extra button or feature. That usually led me to the top of the line piece.
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| jask wrote: | | cmjohnson wrote: | I think I could pull off 10K using 5 G90s and 5 Marquee Ultras. Love to do it just for giggles, but I don't have the space.
Imagine a CRT projected image 40 feet wide and (roughly) 12 feet tall. Who wants to calibrate, converge, and color balance match that setup? |
you should do that. and when you get your blending solution working.... post again. |
Yeah, that's the tough part....having the scratch for a video wall processor that'd take 10K input and output 10x 2K outputs.
I'd rather have a 911....for about the same price, I'll bet.
It's still be fun, though.
Until you had to reconverge and recalibrate the whole system. At which point you'd just want to start tossing projectors in a dumpster and be done with that!
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | | They haven't even got 4K down right yet. Idiots! |
Yeah, same sh*t, different year. I honestly want to throw up when I see new specs like this especially when the current versions are still in flux
Sometimes I just want to give up. I've had clients tell me for the past two years that they won't buy new hardware until 8k is out. WTF for?!?
craigr |
Keep the standards in constant flux, and keep the money rolling in...
Or do it too much, too quickly and watch it all implode on itself. 
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| jbltecnicspro wrote: | | ...Or do it too much, too quickly and watch it all implode on itself. |
I think we are getting close to implosion. A lot of my clients are seriously frustrated with the state of HDR and Rec2020 / DCIP3. Most people are still having a difficult time getting this to work and then look correct all the time. I feel that the industry is pushing new standards too quickly at this point. More and more folks are starting to not give a sh*t anymore.
People keep buying the new shiny thing, but I think we are close to were people are just going to not buy. Why buy now when what you buy today will be obsolete in 6-18 months. Why buy now when the masses report that what they just bought does not work as advertised. There are more reasons NOT to buy at this point than there are to buy.
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[quote="CIR Engineering"] | jbltecnicspro wrote: |
Why buy now when the masses report that what they just bought does not work as advertised.
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I think the situation is trickier than that, you buy a new 4K projector for example which is loaded with fancy features. And even if your source is not capable to support all those fancy features, no problem the projector can emulate it and the average customer WILL turn on some of these features, however it very well could be those extra features never will be exploited from the source side because of thelack of standardization, but still it "kinda works". Often the customers don't even know what these things really about. This stands for specifications, less and less information is given in the factory specifications, so it is really hard to differentiate between things.
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | jbltecnicspro wrote: | | ...Or do it too much, too quickly and watch it all implode on itself. |
I think we are getting close to implosion. A lot of my clients are seriously frustrated with the state of HDR and Rec2020 / DCIP3. Most people are still having a difficult time getting this to work and then look correct all the time. I feel that the industry is pushing new standards too quickly at this point. More and more folks are starting to not give a sh*t anymore.
People keep buying the new shiny thing, but I think we are close to were people are just going to not buy. Why buy now when what you buy today will be obsolete in 6-18 months. Why buy now when the masses report that what they just bought does not work as advertised. There are more reasons NOT to buy at this point than there are to buy.
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Gone are the days of the avg. enthusiast making large capital investments in consumer technology. The combination of functional obsolescence and "standard of the week" results in products which either fail quickly or our surpassed. The early HDMI nonsense (3 revisions in 2-yrs) took out more than a couple of high end companies over the last decade. Imagine your an engineer who is 50-80% through a product design lifecycle when a new standard is dropped which puts you behind the eight ball the day your product is released...You have a lot of clients where money is not the object but they definitely don't want to deal with all the aggravation.
I held off on buying a flat panel for 6-yrs and then bought a 65" 4K Toshiba for $600. If it craps out in the next 12-months I won't care but if I'd spent $1,500-3,000 on a set I'd be pretty annoyed. I can't imagine dropping $7K+ on a projector and then getting hosed. No thanks.
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Yeah. I just bought a used RS-45 for $800 and that will do fine for me. The guy who sold it to me said he bought some new projector for $9k. Obviously he has a very different budget than I do, and apparently he's not worried about standards flux and crap hardware.
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | | jbltecnicspro wrote: | | ...Or do it too much, too quickly and watch it all implode on itself. |
I think we are getting close to implosion. A lot of my clients are seriously frustrated with the state of HDR and Rec2020 / DCIP3. Most people are still having a difficult time getting this to work and then look correct all the time. I feel that the industry is pushing new standards too quickly at this point. More and more folks are starting to not give a sh*t anymore.
People keep buying the new shiny thing, but I think we are close to were people are just going to not buy. Why buy now when what you buy today will be obsolete in 6-18 months. Why buy now when the masses report that what they just bought does not work as advertised. There are more reasons NOT to buy at this point than there are to buy.
craigr |
Gone are the days of the avg. enthusiast making large capital investments in consumer technology. The combination of functional obsolescence and "standard of the week" results in products which either fail quickly or our surpassed. The early HDMI nonsense (3 revisions in 2-yrs) took out more than a couple of high end companies over the last decade. Imagine your an engineer who is 50-80% through a product design lifecycle when a new standard is dropped which puts you behind the eight ball the day your product is released...You have a lot of clients where money is not the object but they definitely don't want to deal with all the aggravation.
I held off on buying a flat panel for 6-yrs and then bought a 65" 4K Toshiba for $600. If it craps out in the next 12-months I won't care but if I'd spent $1,500-3,000 on a set I'd be pretty annoyed. I can't imagine dropping $7K+ on a projector and then getting hosed. No thanks. |
You really hit it on the head Justin. I was kind of glad to see DVDO go, but we almost lost Lumagen at the same time with the "3 revisions in 2-yrs" for HDMI. They had a product ready to launch and parts built then BAM!
The irony is now Lumagen is doing the best it's ever done because you can put their VP's in in front of a display device and properly calibrate Rec2020 / DCI P3 and also make HDR look really good. They've had two record months in a row and they've been around for about 20 years now. Lumagen did quite well during the 3D craze because they could fix all the compatibility issues. Now they are doing well because they can fix shortcomings with 2020 and HDR.
...I guess I shouldn't complain
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