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PostLink    Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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Craig, I love those little HDMI testers. What's the cheapest place you've found to get one?

Well, I know the right people and I just bought the two Murideo pieces as a combo deal. I can't post what I paid for them.

If I were going to buy the SIX-A analyzer I would get it directly from the manufacturer.

http://www.murideo.com/

Jared Kantack is very helpful there (actually everyone is). His email is jared@avprostore.com. Drop him a message and see what he can do for you. If you have any old hardware he might be able to work a trade in discount.

If you don't need to analyze anything higher than HD (1080p and below) than you can also consider an older model. For example, I just sold my QD780 for $1300 and I see them come up on eBay from time to time at that price point. It's an incredible piece of hardware and can do HDMI analysis, source analysis, cable and repeater tests, but those are its tertiary features. It's also a full HDMI generator for test patterns and audio with a huge touch screen and the ability to load custom patterns.

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm a bit of a test and measurement equipment gadget junkie. I like to have a good test bench capability, and that looks like the sort of gadget I'd get some use out of. For a while, at least, as I keep working on my current collection of projects.
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cmjohnson wrote:
Well, I'm a bit of a test and measurement equipment gadget junkie. I like to have a good test bench capability, and that looks like the sort of gadget I'd get some use out of. For a while, at least, as I keep working on my current collection of projects.

Both the SIX-A and QD780 can display a lot of other information as well. They both have some parameters that one or the other can and can't display. Both can also show a live video feed of what is being input to the analyzer to act as a monitor.



The SIX-A has a small screen so it can only show one thing at a time. The QD780 has that large touch screen so it can show just parameters, just the live video feed, or a split screen of both.

If I were only doing CRT I'd probably just go for the QD780 because it's more than capable of generating patterns and analyzing HDMI for anything CRT can do. The QD780's will only fall in price too as time goes on.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah HDFury pointed out in a blogpost that Amazon was the real crook, and went unbeleaguered, while HDFury sold a product that complied with the HDCP 2.2 standard, while Amazon did not as it stripped HDCP instead of legitimately converting 2.2 to 1.4.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The entire HDCP thing is really obsolete anyway if you look at it from any practical point of view.

It was all to prevent unauthorized copying, but copying of videos used to be easy when tapes were cheap and bandwidth
requirements weren't all that great.

Options for copying HD are limited, options for copying UHD are even more so due to bandwidth constraints.

It's cheaper and easier to buy authorized copies and everybody knows it. HDCP now only stands as an obstacle to certain
LEGITIMATE applications.
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PostLink    Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

barclay66 wrote:
The model described by Craig can be found in Europe under the Ligawo brand. Model Number is 3080001. Just ordered one from eBay...

Hi,

seems as if I'm lucky! The current Revision of the Ligawo splitter is completely identical to Craig's model.

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostLink    Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought this splitter and saw no differences, I still lose my picture every once in awhile. I found the Moome Sony card input quits being detected in my switcher. I press input buttons 1 & 2 numerous times, reseat the card, and eventually the video works again.
Real PITA




Hulio wrote:
dummyload wrote:
Do you have an ebay link to that model ,can't find it and do not know the others strip the hdcp.
(don't want to buy one that doesn't strip the hdcp ,been there done that)


I've got this one few months ago and can confirm that it works without a problem. If you would like to play with it, you may have it for a week or so. I won't use my HT room for few weeks anyway. Just let me know...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ViewHD-1x2-HDMI-Splitter-v1-3b-One-Input-to-Two-Output-/270641169821?hash=item3f0378859d:g:WDYAAOSwu1VW74e7


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PostLink    Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

larryp wrote:
I bought this splitter and saw no differences, I still lose my picture every once in awhile. I found the Moome Sony card input quits being detected in my switcher. I press input buttons 1 & 2, reseat the card, and eventually the video works again.
Real PITA

there could be a problem with the switcher. Dirty contacts, or worn (weak) electronics.
Curt, any comments on the Sony switcher?
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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys,

how about wrong colors black crush when running a UHD with 1080p into a CRT ?

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:15 am    Post subject: frame rate change? Reply with quote

Does it matter that the frame rate seems to have changed to 23.987Hz after the strip?
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PostLink    Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:54 am    Post subject: Re: frame rate change? Reply with quote

czyzczyz wrote:
Does it matter that the frame rate seems to have changed to 23.987Hz after the strip?

Interesting, what are you using to measure?

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:12 am    Post subject: frame rate change pt2 Reply with quote

I don't have the device and didn't measure -- I just saw that number in the screen on the diagnostic device in the screenshots in the earlier post, it's above the line that proves the lack of HDCP.
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PostLink    Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm...

I'll look at that again when I have a chance. I bet it was just a bug in the HDMI analyzer or generator. I doubt the clock actually changed. However, if it did, than yes, it does matter.

Good eye. I didn't even notice as my eyes were just on the HDCP.

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PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys.
I’m thinking of getting the Oppo UDP-203
The 203 apparently can strip HDR but if it knows the display is HDMI 1.4 it will only send SDR and BT.709.
Will this stripper allow me to send Rec.2020 to my G70 ?
I have the Moome 1.4 HDMI Input card.
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bachiano wrote:
Hi guys.
I’m thinking of getting the Oppo UDP-203
The 203 apparently can strip HDR but if it knows the display is HDMI 1.4 it will only send SDR and BT.709.
Will this stripper allow me to send Rec.2020 to my G70 ?
I have the Moome 1.4 HDMI Input card.

Yes it will.

However, your G70 cannot make the colors within the gamut for "Rec2020" so it is better to have the Oppo send Rec709. The Rec2020 standard sent by UHD only allows for colors inside the smaller DCI P3 gamut, but the G70 (or any other CRT) cannot make DCI P3 either. We are capped put at Rec709 barring a miracle.

Where you will benefit from UHD is in the 10-bit color 4:2:0 which will give you more color fidelity.

craigr

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info craigr

I don’t have the 203 yet, but from reading the manual,
It will down convert 4k to 1080p and still send 4:2:0 and 10 bit color.

So with this player I might not even need the stripper.

Thanks
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PostLink    Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly you will have a big advantage with 10-bit vs. 8-bit.

A colleague of mine is doing this with UHD's and the Samsung K8500.

Perfect Mr. Green

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PostLink    Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seem to be a few of these units out there that also provide audio extraction for non HDMI audio paths ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-to-HDMI-7-1ch-Audio-Extractor-Converter-Optical-Digital-to-Analog-LPCM-DAC/252396847153?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5edefe56e29f4afe8cfc539922a0ba80%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D182258267935 )

has anyone tested one of these?
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jask wrote:
There seem to be a few of these units out there that also provide audio extraction for non HDMI audio paths ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-to-HDMI-7-1ch-Audio-Extractor-Converter-Optical-Digital-to-Analog-LPCM-DAC/252396847153?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5edefe56e29f4afe8cfc539922a0ba80%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D182258267935 )

has anyone tested one of these?

Is there any reason you think this would strip HDCP?

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