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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:52 am Post subject: 9518lc |
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Contrast at 75. Standard moome, vim, neckboards and lug tubes. What is exactly wrong with these? Multiburst goes fine too. Ok it is daylight and I can not focus as sharp as the cine 9 with those thomson yokes but the video seems fine.
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:57 am Post subject: |
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As soon as I put modified boards in it it goes wrong with zaggies and bandwidth drop.
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Small thing it does not work with the older remote control.
The remote control is also the reason why the controller did not work in my vision 1. Both internal and external need a new remote. Strange but true.
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Or what objective measurements did you make that show the mods improve something on your 9518? I show the smpte and that is pretty good. Did it improve in that area? Or are it more subjective things like more natural image ets.? That would interest me less. I want to improve the way it measures by mods.
Perhaps noise became less?
Or perhaps there is one are the lugs gave more light after mods? I m going to measure what contrast 75 stands for in my case.
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think one of the problems is your 9518 got calibrated together with the mods. So you do not know which one improved the pic I think.
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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I see little improvement in bandwidth and I do not think it is visible this little. Both are just very good in bandwidth.
Perhaps that peaking trimpot is adjusted the right way on my vim? The multiburst shows an even patern no overshoot. I am going to check that out better but on first sight it was not bad. Why so afraid of that pot? Only whenit is adjusted wrong it is a problem in my opinion.
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GREG1292
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="redfox001"]I see little improvement in bandwidth and I do not think it is visible this little. Both are just very good in bandwidth.
Perhaps that peaking trimpot is adjusted the right way on my vim? The multiburst shows an even patern no overshoot. I am going to check that out better but on first sight it was not bad. Why so afraid of that pot? Only whenit is adjusted wrong it is a problem in my opinion.[/quote]
So what do you like the best the new MP mods for the 9518LC, or the standard???
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Look at this, 9ftL just green so that is something like 11ftL white with contrast 70. No strange thingss incredible bandwidth. What is there to improve?
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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I really did not expect this with all the stories. Put in some new lugs some frankenyokes and I am good
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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When calibrating nice and using contrast 72 where everything seems ok I get between 10 ftL and 10,5 ftL white intensity. With worn tubes that is not bad at all.
I also looked at the gamma at contrast 72 as there are stories that these have very strange gamma that break up or something. Well this one has a very normal gamma of 2.4. I have seen them a bit flatter but you will not notice this.
And at 72 the bandwidth is perfect on the whole field from low to high intensity.
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Used equipment. Oppo bdp83 with dve and i1pro with HCFR.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5681 Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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Link Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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GREG1292 wrote: | redfox001 wrote: | I think one of the problems is your 9518 got calibrated together with the mods. So you do not know which one improved the pic I think. |
With and without peaking trim pot on the front end of the 02vim on a new in the box
VDC9518 and the latest MP momee card |
Latest MP moomee card?????
Do you really have one of the latest modfied Moome cards done by me, and how would it impact a change in bandwidth or why is it even being mentioned here only as in comparison to the 9518 video chain.
Oh, and I was trying to find that very similar test you did on this same projector and it had a bandwidth roll off... that was the one where I had mentioned you must have something wrong in your setup, because that pattern does quite well on a stock VDC 9518
Quote: | So Redfox what you think of the latest MP mods in a new 9518. You prefer the the mods or the standard setup? |
He doesn't have the latest MP mods. He actually only have an MP modified 02 VIM and earlier version Moome.
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cmjohnson
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Link Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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I'd replace that pentagonal worn green tube before even considering an attempt to calibrate the projector. To me that's kind of like detailing a car that just hit a wall.
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GREG1292
Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 417 Location: indiana
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Link Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="redfox001"]Used equipment. Oppo bdp83 with dve and i1pro with HCFR.
[url=https://flic.kr/p/EjVfgs][img]https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1518/25155643040_9892da23dd_c.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/EjVfgs]Untitled[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/138192116@N03/]Radio Head[/url], on Flickr[/quote]
That will come in handy when you have the latest mods.Not!!! Which you don't and as I see it hacked up the old
mods trying to rip them off. Just an observation from reading your pointless threads about how you are the
victim on other forums as well as this one. Your lucky this forum is tolerent to some extent on your bashing of
forum members. You modified all nine boards correctly yet. Nope don't think so...
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:58 am Post subject: |
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cmjohnson wrote: | I'd replace that pentagonal worn green tube before even considering an attempt to calibrate the projector. To me that's kind of like detailing a car that just hit a wall. |
Well I calibrate in 10 20 minutes. It is just to judge what these old guys are capable of. Put in your high res tubes and you do not need to mod much.
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cmjohnson
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Link Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:40 am Post subject: |
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I don't think you can even get good calibration results off a well worn tube like that. The burned phosphor's intrinsic gamma curve will be altered. You may not be able to get good linear grey scale tracking because of it.
There's a set of P19 LUGs on ebay right now for dirt cheap. I think they're Curt's. Even the worst of them is better than your green tube, because while it has some pattern wear, it's even 4:3 wear. Which is the best case scenario if you must have a worn tube.
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Yes thanks that might solve the somewhat non flat gamma. If these are really this good I might get a new set of lugs. But I have to judge noise and blacklevel first. I read something about the line mod on the vim. If I see lines or bad blacklevel I might need to replace the switching stuff related to switching between internal and external video and blanking. That is where the lines originate. Also going to scope them. Probable a lot to mod anyhow. Just surprised about the video after the stories.
The line mod is one reason to get the Mike Parker mods the new switcher greatly improves black compared to standard vim in my opinion. Intelectual property of mp.
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