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redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

I have an older marquee 9500 ultra with mostly 2005 boards.

Now I got a 2010 9500 and tested it and it works perfect.

I took the 2010 CLM to the older marquee but the CLM hangs. There is high voltage but no responce to the remote and on the back the led on the clm does go to power. No menu's no image.

I can not shut it down so I pull the filament to be sure there will be no spotburn and than the plug to power down. Using the wired remote I can shut down but no further response.

Now I tried the 2010 HDM and FGM next to the 2010 CLM in the old but still the same.

So I tried the 2010 LVPS in the old too and now on that LVPS the third led from the left (ceiling) is blinking (24v?) and the lvps led is red on the CLM.

So it seems something in the old 9500 does not work with the new CLM and new LVPS.

I could try convergence, astig vertical and hvps. Could it be something on the system board itself?

koldby · Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:37 pm Post subject:

Just a thought..
Wouldn´t it be better to move the tubes incl. neckboards and VIM to the new 2010 machine?

mp20748 · Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:43 pm Post subject:

Version 5.5 is it for earlier models and anything that I know of later. 5.6 is not backwards compatible, and will only work on very later models.

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

Yes true but all boards on the old are modded. HDM FGM vertical astig convergence and vim and neckboards.

It might be an idea to test the other way around and move the modded boards to the 2010 9500 and see when it fails. I have an idea that the modded convergence takes to much power at startup, it has huge caps.

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

mp20748 · Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:03 pm Post subject:

That chip (U7) should only involve the deflection modules (horiz/vert) and CLM. The video chain is mostly analog, wit the exception of the DAC controls on the VIM (contrast/brightness/etc). And I can't see why the deflection processor module would need a particular handshake from the video chain.

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

Ok and how about convergence?

mp20748 · Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:35 pm Post subject:

Convergence doesn't have a DAC on it, so it can't handshake with a digital board. Plus it's only an amplifier module (analog only).

On start up, the CLM uses data lines (SCL/SDA/INT) to talk to and gets request from each of the DAC controlled boards. On the VIM there are two DACs. They are U7 and U35. That is why the projector wont fire up with the VIM removed. The CLM and U35 on the CLM looks for a response from U7 and U35 on the VIM.

Likewise, with any of the other boards in the projector that are DAC or data controlled, they have to do a handshake during the main processor initialization. So both Horizontal and Vertical boards have DACs that are in the handshake initialization of the CLM. The Focus board also has DACs, but can't see why it would need a handshake during initialization, though it does let the CLM know what version Focus board the projector has.

Stig, convergence are both analog amplifiers (no Dacs) as well as neck boards. The control for these analog boards (including some parts of the VIM) are all done on the CLM, where there is also DACs.

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

Ok so I could try 2010 vertical and 2010 HDM with the 2010 controller in the old 9500.

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

Ok Mike cq Houston we have a problem. It is the VIM. With the 2010 VIM the menu's work using the internal remote. With the modified 2005 VIM nothing. Sad

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

~~Using another old VIM also no image, no menu's. So it is not the modifications but some dac version thing.~~

I spoke to soon. Using an old VIM I do have an image so it is in the mods.

mp20748 · Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:10 pm Post subject:

So if you have a VIM that the internals are not working, that's not a DAC problem. That problem, especially if other VIM are working, is most likely on tat VIM.

How long has the problem existed and is the entire internal menu out?

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

Ok done one more test to get things clear. I put the modfied vim 2005 into the 2010 9500 and the internal menu's show up Smile

The 2005 modified vim works perfect in the 2005 9500 it only does not work with internal or external video with the 2010 controller in the 2005 9500.

So pfffff there is something weired in the combination of 2010/2005 and probable something with power.

I better build the 2010 machine.

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

mp20748 · Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:32 pm Post subject:

That's interesting, but it's something I'm concerned about. Now I also have an 2010 version of the 9500, that or 2011 not sure which.

So can you hit the "*" (star) at the top of the remote and post what software version you have?

I have ver 6.1 in mine

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

V6.1

mp20748 · Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:06 pm Post subject:

That is really strange.

I was going to ask you to hit the star button "*" twice and see if the CLM is reading the VIM (contrast/bright/detail/vol/etc) but with that problem, you're not able to read the internal menu.. Confused

mp20748 · Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:29 pm Post subject:

Well, can't help you on that one. My unit is the same year and has the same software version and I'm running an earlier version 02 VIM. There are also several others that are also running earlier version 02 VIMs with no internal generator problems reported.

The Mods that I do to any Marquee VIM uses only the the analog section that switches into the video chain. It does not involve any of the Data or Handshaking circuitry. I filter it right as it enters the VIM, and then route it to the min boards input for the internal menus. The problem you're having seems to be a data line to DAC issue. Why that would be I'm not sure. This is the first I've read about this problem in my 21 years of working on the projector. I only modify the video analog section of the board.

barclay66 · Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:38 am Post subject:

Hi,
Without ability to verify the control signals between the CLM and the VIM it will be difficult finding out what's going on there.
If You want, I could identify and possibly solve the problem. For this You would have to send both boards to me for a week. I could send You replacements if You need to keep the PJ going (You could try out my modified -03 VIM).
To be honest: I'm very much interested in that software version 6.1. I have almost all versions from 3.1 to 5.0 but nothing newer and I have the tooling and blank chips for reading/programming U16/U35/U100 (CLM) and U7 (DBP)...

Regards,
barclay66

redfox001 · Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands

Lets first make the problem clear because I find it hard to believe that there are others bla bla bla.

The 2010 clm does not work in the 2005 9500 that is build on a 1999 vision 1 or 2 chasis. It does do the handshaking because the clm goes to the on led.

Still the picture is blanked and that is most likely the protection spot kill blanking.

So the 2010 clm does not feel happy and sends protection signals.

The 2010 lvps does say the 24V is shorted so that one is not happy to.
The extarnal remote can not switch the system off but the internal can.