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CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

Hi all, i have been using the LIMO PRO that comes with a Barco Cine 9 for my old retro games, which does the job fairly well so it seems.

The issue with a Barco Cine 9 is it doesnt scan to 15.7kHz, so i need to upscan these retro consoles.

Most output 240p at 60Hz or very close to it, some output 59.18Hz, and some are 288p at 50Hz. There is the odd one or two that put out 480i 60Hz or 576i 50Hz.

I want not only the least possible lag, but want no more than 480p or 576p outputs, on the LIMO PRO ive used 1050i 120Hz and 1150i 100Hz modes with some games, but then some games look better that way than others.

The problem with lag is it kills the gaming experience, and makes some games totally unplayable, especially where quick reactions and accurate timing are needed.

I need S-Video input, RGB-S, and possibly also composite video. Only need RGB-S or RGB-HV output.

I have put some of these consoles through the Faroudja scaler in my AVR, and found the lag to be totally unacceptable.

No idea how much lag the LIMO PRO adds, but its not much.

What would be ideal is a scaler that added a black line for every second line making the 240p into 480p without changing the image, which should result in zero lag.

I have looked at the XRGB Mini Framemiester, which looks like a good option, but the XRGB-3 looks to have more inputs and options.

What else is around that will do what i am after?

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:57 am Post subject:

How about the old fashion farudja line doubler/quadruplers? Have you ever had hands on one of those?

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

No, but im not sure if theyd be any better than the ones in the AVRs of today.

CIR Engineering · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:34 pm Post subject:

Just skimmed Case, but the Radiance line has a "game mode" that provides very little lag that is pretty much undetectable.

If you want to do it on the cheap and you bide your time, you could get an XD that would do the job. Or you could jump for a newer unit and get a great VP for other purposes too.

Even when a Raiance is not in game mode, usually the video is actually ahead of the audio still so the lag is very little.

But you know I am a Lumagen man Smile

craigr

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

Id have no other real good use for it though Craig to warrant the outrageous price they go for new, its a bloody lot of money for what it is!

CIR Engineering · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:14 am Post subject:

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Seems like a good toy for that price in my mind. You might be surprised Wink

craigr

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

Ill have a look soon Wink

Cheers mate!

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

I cant view whatever that is, it is coming up as a phone number to my phone

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

Is there anything that will just add a black line every second line to make the image look identical to the original?

CIR Engineering · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:47 pm Post subject:

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CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

If its changing the res there will always be some lag, id rather not change the res if i could avoid it, which is why i want 480p with every second line black.

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

I always prefer the original untouched resolution, it looks very good and was designed that way!!

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:35 am Post subject:

If I ever get the time I'll dig out my doublers and quaduplers. Never enough hours in the day.

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

There is nothing worse than a 240p image raped into 480p, may as well use an emulator!!

ecrabb · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:18 am Post subject:

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:06 am Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6319 Location: Australia

I know Justin claims to have seen or felt there was no lag scaling his Game Cube to 720p, however Nintendo games often have very good and very forgiving controls, where as some others really need good timing. When they have that, all is smooth and easy.

Need For Speed on 3DO is a prime example of where lag destroys an awesome game, and any 1 on 1 fighting game such as any on the NEO•GEO also suffer greatly due to milliseconds of lag making moves very hard to pull off, and even harder to use at the right time.

gregstv · Joined: 27 Aug 2007 Posts: 628 Location: Australia

I did read that the DVDO VP30 is one of the best for games. The least amount of lag.