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PostLink    Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:24 pm    Post subject: do you listen to jazz? Reply with quote


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had a neighbor drop by with a friend who was an audiophile to listen to to my system He's a 2 channel guy with vintage gear, like the good stuff, Haffler amps , an Ariston TT, etc, some vintage speakers with Electrostatic tweeters, said he listened to Jazz. Now my system is tuned for rock and dynamic music, so it doesn't the best place for Jazz but it still sounds good with other kinds of music.

So i dug out a John Coltrane , Black Pearls 1964 on the original Prestige label. It's basically him tickling the valves and doing the typical Jazz riffs that sound rather random to me and the other instruments like drums and stand-up Bass, muted in the background, and sorta accompanying him. I let it go for a few minutes, but had to change it.

This stuff bores me to tears. While I understand that "modern music" with it's electric guitar and bass is not really pure music in the traditional sense of the word, it's dynamic and emotionally involving, the power of it just pulls you in, IMO. With jazz, I mean yes it's very subtle and you can't deny the musical talent, but I just don't connect to it.

Next, was Mark Knopflers Shangri La , solo album , side one song one = 5:15 AM. No comparison, really great music to my ears.

so what's the deal, any jazz lovers care to explain what it's all about?
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PostLink    Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like various kinds of ""lighter"" jazz, fusion, things like that. But I'm with you, Coltrane &etc just leave me cold. I've described that style as "a random-number generator hooked to a sax." My brother (a musician) loves it, but I'd rather turn off the stereo than listen to Coltrane.
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PostLink    Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dexter Gordon Rocks!!!!!!

Love Jazz but Dexter Gordon is by far my favorite Jazz musician and composer.

Have a listen to Dexter Digs In.

If this doesn't get your feet tapin and body movin you might as well be 6 feet under.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxXsZegLLMY


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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazz, meh...
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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nashou66 wrote:
Dexter Gordon Rocks!!!!!!

Love Jazz but Dexter Gordon is by far my favorite Jazz musician and composer.

Have a listen to Dexter Digs In.

If this doesn't get your feet tapin and body movin you might as well be 6 feet under.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxXsZegLLMY


Nashou


Yep that's what I remember Jazz sounding like. It has that finger nails on the blackboard sound and affect.
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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are clueless !! With out Jazz, Rock would not exist. Wink

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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nashou66 wrote:
You guys are clueless !! With out Jazz, Rock would not exist. Wink

Nashou
Not sure about that. Rock came from the Blues, which developed late 18th century. Blues and Jazz seem to have developed at around the same time with some commonality, with Jazz borrowing more from the Blues than vice-versa AFAICT, but they're different and distinct from each other both in structure, chord progression, etc.

Nashou66 wrote:
Dexter Gordon Rocks!!!!!!
Love Jazz but Dexter Gordon is by far my favorite Jazz musician and composer.
Have a listen to Dexter Digs In.
If this doesn't get your feet tapin and body movin you might as well be 6 feet under.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxXsZegLLMY
Nashou

if I was relaxed, sitting in some moodsy club with the lights dimmed, had a really good plate of hot wings and an ice-cold non-alchoholic beer , I might be able to get into that.
In my basement though that music bores me to death, and I don't get bored easily. I'm impressed that you like it though Nash, seems really out of character.
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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

draganm wrote:
Nashou66 wrote:
You guys are clueless !! With out Jazz, Rock would not exist. Wink

Nashou
Not sure about that. Rock came from the Blues, which developed late 18th century. Blues and Jazz seem to have developed at around the same time with some commonality, with Jazz borrowing more from the Blues than vice-versa AFAICT, but they're different and distinct from each other both in structure, chord progression, etc.

Nashou66 wrote:
Dexter Gordon Rocks!!!!!!
Love Jazz but Dexter Gordon is by far my favorite Jazz musician and composer.
Have a listen to Dexter Digs In.
If this doesn't get your feet tapin and body movin you might as well be 6 feet under.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxXsZegLLMY
Nashou

if I was relaxed, sitting in some moodsy club with the lights dimmed, had a really good plate of hot wings and an ice-cold non-alchoholic beer , I might be able to get into that.
In my basement though that music bores me to death, and I don't get bored easily. I'm impressed that you like it though Nash, seems really out of character.



Why is it out of Character?

I have seen some really great Jazz Icons.

The Modern Jazz quartet with Milt Jackson on the vibraphone, This was At Buffalo State college Birchfield arts center.
These guys at the time were the longest and oldest Jazz quartet still together with original members. I think they formed in 1947( not 100% sure) . They mesmerized me with their talent and ease at improvisation. Really nice guys too.
I got to meet with them for a short time, I was truly honored.

Another Great was Dave Brubeck. And I again had back stage passes to a after show cocktail party. I talked with Dave for about 30 minutes. He was telling me about the places in Greece and Turkey he played, and how some of that middle eastern music inspired some of his pieces.

Jazz and Big band music I always liked , I think I got into it from the old Sunday morning TV movies.
Then I took a class at Buff State called Jazz Rock Foundations and it was there I learned that Rock came from Jazz, Dixi land Jazz to be exact. And Also that Jazz is the original American music, different than anything else in the world.

Older people hated Jazz as it was for those "young Kids" and thought it led to drugs and sex, musch like rock and Roll.
In fact, Jazz is slang for having sex or fooling round. " You better not be Jazzin around on me "

Most of this is just from memory from that class, I might have the exact details wrong but I loved that class it was there when I first heard Dexter Digs in and my feet and pencil were tapping like crazy. I knew I had to hear more !

So what stereotype are you painting me as that I would not like Jazz?

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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not painting you into any stereotype, just surprised that you like Jazz, almost as much as if I were to find out this guy likes jazz Laughing

























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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting post, Nash. Thumbs Up

I played guitar in high school jazz band my senior year. We were only "OK", but the other Dallas jazz bands were worse. Because of that we got to play a lot of places, including other high schools. We won all city and I won all city jazz guitarist. Cool In truth they may have meant our other guitarist (we'd alter playing songs as you don't need 2 guitarist in big band jazz). He was actually quite a bit better than me, but I played on songs that had better guitar parts, so the judges may not have been able to tell he was the better of the two of us.

Anyway, I was really a rocker and only joined because I was in the half day magnet arts program. The experience did leave me with some affection for jazz, not a lot though. While I occasionally go on brief jazz listening sprees, they're short lived though.

I really got into Hammond organs a couple of years ago. I thought it was something I could pick up because of my music experience. I haven't given up on it but it's turned out to be more difficult than I expected. That did get me listening to Jimmy Smith. He invented the way that Hammond organ is played in jazz and rock.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a big jazz fan. I will listen to it live, but really don't have a huge interest in listening to recorded jazz.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with your OP, Dragan. Mind you, I did go see Herbie Hancock a few years ago, and met him in person, having sold him a Marquee power supply. Smile Super nice guy, no ego, and he did a killer cover of Where the Streets Have no Name that I instantly loved better than the U2 version.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that interest in Jazz vinyl peaked and is on the decline as well. At one point any of the original pressings of Coltrane, Miles Davis, Monk etc. were fetching big bucks, now going the way of 50's cars = still valuable but not commanding crazy money.
I'm going to have give it another try though, maybe Sketches of Spain which i Have on the original Decca. I think what mood your in also makes a big difference as to what your inclined to listen to.

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I'm with your OP, Dragan. Mind you, I did go see Herbie Hancock a few years ago, and met him in person, having sold him a Marquee power supply. Smile Super nice guy, no ego, and he did a killer cover of Where the Streets Have no Name that I instantly loved better than the U2 version.
Just picked up a sealed Herbie LP, Breezin, solely for the purpose of re-selling it. Confused
weird album anyway, possibly his most famous yet he only wrote 1 of the songs, rest look to be all covers?

http://www.discogs.com/George-Benson-Breezin/release/806323
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazz is not like rock music. Jazz guys often do covers. But their version is usually quite different from the original. Even if it's not, it's just something to solo over. Jazz is all about soloing and improvising.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil Smith wrote:
Jazz is not like rock music. Jazz guys often do covers. But their version is usually quite different from the original. Even if it's not, it's just something to solo over. Jazz is all about soloing and improvising.
so it's just like Rap.
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PostLink    Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

draganm wrote:
Phil Smith wrote:
Jazz is not like rock music. Jazz guys often do covers. But their version is usually quite different from the original. Even if it's not, it's just something to solo over. Jazz is all about soloing and improvising.
so it's just like Rap.



NOOOOO!!! It's not like cRap!

There's various types of jazz. I love fusion - Spyro Gyro comes to mind. George Benson is great. Vocals and great guitar work. Smooth jazz - Kenny G is OK. Older, tradition jazz less so.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I have told this here..but..
I remember my Dad and I talking music when I was a kid... went from radio pop to rock.. classic rock, folk, blues, old blues, a little old country, and big band ( thanks Dad ) other assorted music... then I remember talking old blues up with my Dad and he was all about jazz and it was a NY city intersection at rush hour to me ... " Don't worry Son when you are older it will all make sense"... years later one night was homesick and put on Blue train... hair on the back of my neck stood up and I was in!! guess I was old enough to appreciate it Smile

Now that marching Jazz is CRAZY shte

and fwiw... I like to listen to bagpipe music as well.
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