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winny
Joined: 09 Oct 2013 Posts: 403 Location: Sweden
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:23 pm Post subject: New 808s in the house, no high voltage |
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So I couldn't misd out on an $80 Graphics 808s when I have so many spare parts laying around.
Fire it up an everything is green except red light on V-board. Press ADJ and I can hear it changeing frequency.
All green. Neckboards, G2, no red EHT on and the controller is happy.
Any suggestions?
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barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011 Posts: 1291 Location: Germany
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I'd check the fuse on the EHT board first. If it's blown, then replace with a new one (same rating as the original one). If it blows again, there might be a shorted Power MOSFET on the EHT or the quadrupler is dead...
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winny
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Funny. You work as an electronic engineer and don't even have a multimeter at home.
I'll bring it to work and check it there.
Any compability issues if I swap one from my data 808s if it's also new style EHT?
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winny
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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My data 808s had old style EHT.
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barclay66
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
If the part numbers (R762...) are identical, You can swap them without hesitation...
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winny
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Fuse flown and transistor shorted.
What's the recommended replacement for APT 12082LNR (x)?
Can the quad be measured for fault without high voltage or is it internal arcing at high voltage that kills the transistor?
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barclay66
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
Repair of an EHT board tends to be quite tricky. Testing the quad too. You might be able to test it for shorts but an isolation problem would go undetected (would need special equipment). I would recommend that You send both parts to Curt for testing/repair...
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winny
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Well, I do have all the high voltage equipment imaginable at work so no problem there. Apply 35 kV and check the quad for flashovers/partial discharge?
From the compability matrix (http://www.curtpalme.com/docs/BarcoServiceBulletin_R762716_New_EHT.pdf), it looks like no luck in converting my new chassis to adopt old EHT and splitter.
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barclay66
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:11 am Post subject: |
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winny wrote: | Apply 35 kV and check the quad for flashovers/partial discharge? |
Not this way, definitely. Imagine the quadrupler as a HV transformer with additional rectifier and voltage multiplier (cascade). Faults can occur in the windings of the transformer section (primary or secondary winding), You can have shorted diodes in the rectifier section or You can have failing film capacitors in the voltage multiplier section. And all of this drowned in silicone where You can't get access to any of the individual parts. The only thing You can do is to verify that the primary winding (which is connected to the MOSFET and the supply voltage) isn't shorted or interrupted and that it's inductance is similar enough to a known working one...
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winny
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, I didn't know that.
Apply pulsed DC on the primary and measure the DC voltage on the secondary?
Is the inductance value for a working one known?
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barclay66
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
winny wrote: | Apply pulsed DC on the primary and measure the DC voltage on the secondary? |
Secondary winding isn't accessible from the outside (connected internally to rectifier/multiplier).
Check the schematics of the EHT board. The quadrupler is shown there too.
winny wrote: | Is the inductance value for a working one known? |
Well, not to me, sorry...
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winny
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Alright, the schematic was very straight forward. I see no problem exiting the primary of the quad and measure the high voltage on the secondary. Splitter shold be more straight forward.
As for the transistor, can't find any information about APT12082 but old EHT uses IXYS IXTH 12N10, 1 kV 1 ohm. I would suspect APT12082 is 1.2 kV and around 1 ohm and from the schematic, shouldn't be that critical to get exactly the same data otherwise.
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Link Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Any news?
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winny
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Link Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Found a 1050 V transistor at work, but 8 ohm so this might not be long lived.
National holiday in Sweden so I'm away from home. Will pick it up on Monday.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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Link Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I've got either complete EHT boards cheap, or the correct transistor, if that one doesn't work.
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winny
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Transistor would be nice, sice 8 ohm is 100 times the losses of 0.82 ohm of the original transistor.
ROHM SCT2280KEC should be a good alternative at $8 but if you have the APT12082 laying around, that would be even better.
While we are talking EHT, has anyone tried feeding the 35 kV with a high voltage power supply? I mean straight DC, no 100/120 Hz flicker, no ducking of the brightness in white scenes and probably a bit shorter lifespan of the tubes as well.
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gjaky
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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winny wrote: | While we are talking EHT, has anyone tried feeding the 35 kV with a high voltage power supply? I mean straight DC, no 100/120 Hz flicker, no ducking of the brightness in white scenes and probably a bit shorter lifespan of the tubes as well. |
The flickering completely comes from the vertical refresh, the HV in a CRT projector is DC voltage, the ducking brightness is not result of a poor design on the first hand, its purpose to limit the x-ray radiation of the tubes. I'd not play with that...
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winny
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but that comes from the current limit in the flyback stage. If you would remove that, the 400 V cap will be too small.
I was under the impression that the flyback would run out of regulation here and hence the 100 Hz flicker, but apparently not.
Wear a lead apron and enjoy that full 1200 lumen goodness in star wars V or blind your coworkers with that powerpoint!
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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you guys really scare me with some of your posts here...
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gjaky
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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winny wrote: | Wear a lead apron and enjoy that full 1200 lumen goodness in star wars V or blind your coworkers with that powerpoint! |
Buy a G90 and you can burn the tubes as fast as you want.
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