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CasetheCorvetteman
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There is also iPhone apps.
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CIR Engineering
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CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | There is also iPhone apps. |
Yeah right 2015 now... I'd say that app will blow the doors off a color reference
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:23 am Post subject: |
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CIR Engineering wrote: | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | There is also iPhone apps. |
Yeah right 2015 now... I'd say that app will blow the doors off a color reference
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It does ok for those of us with no other means
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dochlywd
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Link Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Nash!! I'm not as knowledgeable nor do I have the eye that you and Craig have but I use my JVC 90% of the time for watching T.V. and sports. I only use the G90 for movies. I can tell you that we only watch movies maybe 2 to 3 times a month. Every time I sit down to watch one on the G90 and look up at the screen, it's like giving my eyes a rest. Almost like realizing you're not wearing your sunglasses on a sunny day..........you finally put them on and it's like "Ahhhhhhhhh.....that's better"!
And of course, the G90 and I "hug it out" after every movie!!!!!
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dochlywd
Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 346 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri
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Oh, and with that said, I would strongly suggest saving up the money to have Craig come out and work his expertise on any G90. Prior to him, I had a couple of pretty well known calibrators come out and work on my projector. None of them, NONE OF THEM, even came close to getting what Craig has gotten out of my system!!!!
It's worth EVERY penny !!!!!!
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Spanky Ham
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Uh oh, now you are going to give Craig a big head!
That being said, his personal G90 is probably the best calibrated G90 I have seen.
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jeffslife
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Yeah, What Spanky said !
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Spanky Ham
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Link Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:52 am Post subject: |
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About Craig having a big head?
I thought Craig said either yours or Wallaces was the best G90 he had set up.
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CIR Engineering
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Link Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Spanky Ham wrote: | About Craig having a big head?
I thought Craig said either yours or Wallaces was the best G90 he had set up. |
Jeff's G90 is absolutely fantastic. It performs better than I would have ever expected because the tubes are not new and he only has an old Lumagen HDQ. So he is missing out on some of the features and image quality improvements from the Radiance. That being said, his system performs incredibly well and the sume of his parts make up a really nice whole. It is honestly one of my favorite looking G90 setups.
I think Don's G90 setup with his MINI+ is fantastic. We put all new tubes in his projector about 18 months ago and it really brought things up to a whole new level. Don's also running on a slightly smaller than typical screen which adds to the light output and punch. I think I set his G90 to output about 17 flt on his screen during the last calibration. It is really smoking nice! Have you seen Don's system Eric?
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CIR Engineering
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Also, Doc's theater room is wayyyyyy nicer even in person. The photos just don't do it justice. It's a really nice entertainment room.
craigr
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Spanky Ham
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Link Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:38 am Post subject: |
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I didn't get a chance to see it. I was only at Dr. Dog's house for the weekend and Dr. BBQ was out doing his grilling. In retrospect, I wish I would have thought about trying to get Rocco and especially Kurt over there to see it. Oh well, hopefully The Right Stuff has another meet sometime this year.
One of the aspects that separates your calibration is how good yours looks in the low IRE. That seems to be one area that other calibrators struggle with among others.
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Link Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Spanky Ham wrote: | I didn't get a chance to see it. I was only at Dr. Dog's house for the weekend and Dr. BBQ was out doing his grilling. In retrospect, I wish I would have thought about trying to get Rocco and especially Kurt over there to see it. Oh well, hopefully The Right Stuff has another meet sometime this year.
One of the aspects that separates your calibration is how good yours looks in the low IRE. That seems to be one area that other calibrators struggle with among others. |
Ill love to see that..
I have been trying to challenge Craig to a G90 VS Marquee thing where we bring a projector in parts, and have a limited amount of time to get it put together and setup. And see who will be able to get the best end result.
If he one day reads his pm, or respond to one of the posts here, and takes the challenge, ill be over there again, and everything is possible.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Link Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Im giving 100:1 odds here that Craig will get results... There is way too many people praising his exploits to back any other way.
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mr_ro_co
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CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Im giving 100:1 odds here that Craig will get results... There is way too many people praising his exploits to back any other way. |
Craig himself has told me the best CRT he's ever seen was Mike Parker's own Marquee. That was a few years ago so maybe that has changed. After having seen a few ostensibly professionally set up and calibrated G90s (but not by Craig) in recent years, I have yet to see the evidence that the G90 throws a better picture than a 9500LC Ultra, even a stock one, let alone one with MP neckboards and VIM. I can't really be objective as a Marquee owner, but if I thought the G90 was capable of producing a better pic than the Marquee, I would own one. To date I have not seen the proof of that. The G90s I've seen are very sharp with excellent convergence but always seem to look slightly washed out and lacking in color and dynamic range compared to a well set up Marquee (especially an MP modded one). Maybe brute forcing the G90 with a Radiance CMS changes all that (despite other problems the processor may introduce).
I think there's a reason why back in the day Madrigal (the premium brand of Harman Intl.), who could have used any CRT, chose the Marquee. Same for Vidikron.
That said, I think most would agree that a well set up G90 will be preferred over a so-so set up Marquee. From what I've read and heard many times, a G90 is much easier to set up than the Marquee. The G90 has LUGs and electronic CPC clusters! The Marquee with its LCPs and twiddling its 2/4/6 pole CPCs is a real mother scratcher when it comes to getting as tight a beam spot as the G90 (probably impossible).
To Kurt's challenge, I think the more interesting experiment would be for Craig to work with a Marquee expert to set up and calibrate an MP modded Ultra and then compare it side by side with his own G90, using no processor on either and using the same screen, source and cable.
My money is on the Marquee. At 100:1 odds.
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jbmeyer13
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mr_ro_co wrote: | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Im giving 100:1 odds here that Craig will get results... There is way too many people praising his exploits to back any other way. |
Craig himself has told me the best CRT he's ever seen was Mike Parker's own Marquee. That was a few years ago so maybe that has changed. After having seen a few ostensibly professionally set up and calibrated G90s (but not by Craig) in recent years, I have yet to see the evidence that the G90 throws a better picture than a 9500LC Ultra, even a stock one, let alone one with MP neckboards and VIM. I can't really be objective as a Marquee owner, but if I thought the G90 was capable of producing a better pic than the Marquee, I would own one. To date I have not seen the proof of that. The G90s I've seen are very sharp with excellent convergence but always seem to look slightly washed out and lacking in color and dynamic range compared to a well set up Marquee (especially an MP modded one). Maybe brute forcing the G90 with a Radiance CMS changes all that (despite other problems the processor may introduce).
I think there's a reason why back in the day Madrigal (the premium brand of Harman Intl.), who could have used any CRT, chose the Marquee. Same for Vidikron.
That said, I think most would agree that a well set up G90 will be preferred over a so-so set up Marquee. From what I've read and heard many times, a G90 is much easier to set up than the Marquee. The G90 has LUGs and electronic CPC clusters! The Marquee with its LCPs and twiddling its 2/4/6 pole CPCs is a real mother scratcher when it comes to getting as tight a beam spot as the G90 (probably impossible).
To Kurt's challenge, I think the more interesting experiment would be for Craig to work with a Marquee expert to set up and calibrate an MP modded Ultra and then compare it side by side with his own G90, using no processor on either and using the same screen, source and cable.
My money is on the Marquee. At 100:1 odds.
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Holy sh*t! I find myself agreeing with Steve Oh yeah, we aren't in the OT forum
The other thing CIR talks about (and in my experience is very true) is that you never know what you are going to get with a Marquee. When modded and set up well it can be utterly amazing but they can really be all over the place. Some great, some good, some bad and some terrible.
Kurt can tell you how many combinations of modded boards and Moome cards he has tried with results all over the map. IMO, each Marquee is a unique beast that needs to be tamed accordingly.
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Spanky Ham
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To address some of the points.
I think Madrigal and Vidikron sourced Marquees, because they could get them cheap first and foremost. I am not sure how much Sony would have come off of their $45k list for the G90.
I will let Craig speak for himself, but he admits that a tricked out Marquee is probably better than a G90. The problem is there is a lot of variability in Marquees before one starts to mod them. It isn't VDCs fault, as they built the pjs to their customers specs.
It should also be noted how long it takes to get a fully working and tricked out Marquee. You three can attest to that.
One final thing, I believe Craig has worked on a couple of MP modded Marquees. I know he worked on Tim's blend, but I am not sure if that is modded or not. While side by side would be ideal, I am not sure it is needed at least as far as Craig needs to form an opinion. That being said, Dr. BBQ has a CIR90. The only thing needed would be a functioning modded Marquee and Craig. Hmmmm, another road trip to Dr. Dogs. MAY 1st - be there or be square!!!!!
P.S. - I thought TSE said adjusting magnets was easy.
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Link Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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There is a lot of different stuff to adress on the Marque, but knowing it a bit i think most will know what boards to use and what boards to leave.
There is some grounding who needs to be adressed, as it dont seems to be 2 Marquee grounded the same.
And then depending on build year the VIM is different, and ill say that the latest is the worse.
Also quite a lot around here have the PT22 green tube in, and that makes for a total messed up grayscale/ gamma.
*I think ill be able to make the Marquee performe more or less the same knowing what to look for.
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