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ElTopo
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Link Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:57 am Post subject: Are you going digital 2015 ? |
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For tv and sport events yes.
For movies NO my Barco Cine 9 will do a superb job.
What's your projector in 2015 ?
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2645 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Link Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Sony Qualia 004 LCoS Projector, Don't think I'll get another one this year, if I DO get any other projector, I would probably get a G90 for movies as you have mentioned (Since the qualia would be great for static images from games & the HTPC)
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ElTopo
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Link Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Well for tv my Sony VPL VW200 will serve me
Hopefully it will last some time
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 17860 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 5643 Location: Comedy Central
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Link Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Already did!!!! Don't hate me Crabb, I bought a Marantz VP-15S1! Yes, I went dlp.
I have only played with it a little, but it is nice and very flexible on set up. It doesn't have the lumens that other pjs have, but I will manage. One of the great things about Marantz is they built their pjs like tanks. I don't think I will have any problems with it.
This should get me through the year until the next Cedia and we see what is new. My guess is there should be a few 4k pjs along with some laser/leds. Of course, that will mean the 4910 will be down in price and hopefully can be had for under $2k.
As for CRT, I am thinking of a dual pj set up with the G90 and Marantz. As El Topo is doing, I may use the G90 for movies and such with the Marantz for games and anything that needs HDMI. No I am not going to spend a couple of hundred on a Moome. I guess I have crossed my digital Rubicon.
Oh yeah, I payed $1100 for the pj with 800 hours on the bulb along with a brand new spare bulb.
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UncleWill
Joined: 11 Dec 2012 Posts: 413 Location: WashDC area, ViennaVA
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Link Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Noooooo!!!!
What was the tipping point for you in switching?
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ElTopo
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Link Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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What is your projector UncleWill ?
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UncleWill
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Link Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Unmodified Electrohome 8500 Ultra and a Sony G70 in storage.
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 5643 Location: Comedy Central
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:44 am Post subject: |
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UncleWill wrote: |
Noooooo!!!!
What was the tipping point for you in switching? |
There are two reasons. First, I don't have a dedicated theater. While I say I will use the G90, I can forsee me putting it in there and saying "Hell No!". The second is the price was good. At $1100, I could try this out and flip it if I don't like it. Worse case is I lose $200 or so.
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cmjohnson
Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 5180 Location: Buried under G90s
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Not a chance! My 9500LC's tubes are still snow white and minty fresh with under 600 viewing hours on them. I have a Moome HDMI 1.3 input card on it. I have GT17 lenses and (still being tweaked for best performance) Frankenyoke IIs on it, plus an MP-modded video chain. And, finally, I have one more planned upgrade for the unit, which, if I can get it, will make my machine unique and potentially capable of resolving 1080p with an MTF value that's higher than any other Marquee on earth. No details on that until I've completed the deal and can go ahead with the upgrade.
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redfox001
Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 2251 Location: The Netherlands
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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cmjohnson wrote: | Not a chance! My 9500LC's tubes are still snow white and minty fresh with under 600 viewing hours on them. I have a Moome HDMI 1.3 input card on it. I have GT17 lenses and (still being tweaked for best performance) Frankenyoke IIs on it, plus an MP-modded video chain. And, finally, I have one more planned upgrade for the unit, which, if I can get it, will make my machine unique and potentially capable of resolving 1080p with an MTF value that's higher than any other Marquee on earth. No details on that until I've completed the deal and can go ahead with the upgrade. |
Wow that sounds very interesting!
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 5643 Location: Comedy Central
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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A bigger question is how many people are going to dump their smaller TVs for new flat panels. My brother and I were looking at the LG OLED and I love the picture that it puts out. This panel puts out pure black. No, close to or whatever, but pure black. Infinite on/off cr and ANSI cr. If the 65" was $2000, then I would have to consider dumping projectors and going with that.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 17860 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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HogPilot
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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kal wrote: | Spanky Ham wrote: | If the 65" was $2000, then I would have to consider dumping projectors and going with that. |
IMHO not big enough when you consider even a 'modest' HT projector setup is typically 100-110". (All depends on how far back you sit of course).
Kal |
Agreed. Now that my theater is gone, my main display is a 70" Vizio 4K LCD that's a stopgap until the price of OLED comes down. But I also want at least an 80" display if I'm going to make the jump/spend the money - one thing I miss from my theater is the immersiveness of sitting 12' from a 12' wide 'scope screen. Although a 55" OLED would destroy my Vizio in any critical viewing contest, there's something to be said for having an extra 15" of display size in a room as large as my living room (it's about 24' x 17').
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redfox001
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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There are also the quantum dot displays that are coming up. It seems they are easier to fabricate and also can be switched on and of. I once read that Samsung is replacing the oleds with quantum dot displays. The colour gamut is very accurate for these displays.
Just for information the word quantum is really about quantum mechanics and not a marketing word. The size of the crystal cells determines the excitations that determine the colours of the dot.
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ElTopo
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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As Kal said cinema feeling rises with a big screen.
My planned cinemascope will be 3,6m in width.
Viewing distance will be about 4,5m.
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HogPilot
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Link Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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redfox001 wrote: | There are also the quantum dot displays that are coming up. It seems they are easier to fabricate and also can be switched on and of. I once read that Samsung is replacing the oleds with quantum dot displays. The colour gamut is very accurate for these displays.
Just for information the word quantum is really about quantum mechanics and not a marketing word. The size of the crystal cells determines the excitations that determine the colours of the dot. |
The potential is amazing, but a per-pixel quantum dot display is only a pipe dream right now. The only QD stuff even close being brought to market is a uniform backlight that can't be throttled in zones like LEDs can.
I'm not saying that what you're talking about wouldn't be cool, but they do seem to be a very long way off. I'd love to be wrong about this though!
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cmjohnson
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Yes, there is something different about a projected image vs. direct view. I think that it's primarily the difference in light output vs. the area of the screen. Even high powered, very bright projected images don't have the surface brightness of any given average CRT direct view set. I think this brightness/area issue is the primary difference.
However, proper projector setup does a LOT to help matters. I have seen plenty of projector setups (CRT and other types) which had a flat, boring image that I would call compressed. Whether it's incorrect brightness and contrast settings or bad greyscale calibration or less than optimal gamma correction, the image doesn't look right. It didn't take a whole lot of experimentation with my very first PJ (A Sony VPH-722Q1, NTSC only, but actually a rather nice little machine which gave many, many hundreds of hours of enjoyable movie watching) to figure out how to juggle the available settings to make the image pop, with deep dark blacks, detail in the dark, and vivid bright highlights. This only got better when I upgraded to an 8000, and when I replaced that unit with a 9500LC (which was an 8500 before I upgraded it) then I started to think I was approaching the perfect image. The larger 9" tubes seem to be naturally more supportive of a dynamic, high contrast, detailed image.
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Spanky Ham
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Link Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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kal wrote: | Spanky Ham wrote: | If the 65" was $2000, then I would have to consider dumping projectors and going with that. |
IMHO not big enough when you consider even a 'modest' HT projector setup is typically 100-110". (All depends on how far back you sit of course).
Kal |
I guess you missed where I said small TV and earlier where I mentioned that this is going in my living room.
Also, without gain I consider an 8' wide screen to dim for my tastes with CRT. I know a lot here don't care if they are getting 1 ft/lmbs, but I like a bright image. The Oled can do 35 ft/lmbs.
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Agreed. Now that my theater is gone, my main display is a 70" Vizio 4K LCD that's a stopgap until the price of OLED comes down. But I also want at least an 80" display if I'm going to make the jump/spend the money - one thing I miss from my theater is the immersiveness of sitting 12' from a 12' wide 'scope screen. Although a 55" OLED would destroy my Vizio in any critical viewing contest, there's something to be said for having an extra 15" of display size in a room as large as my living room (it's about 24' x 17'). |
I did say 65", as there is nothing bigger. I have heard that there will be a 77" at CES this year. Unfortunately, LG won't be able to ramp up production this year. That means prices won't drop by a large amount. Hopefully next year they can crank them out. If this 77" is $3k at the end of the year, then I have a real decision to make.
It is interesting that you guys bring up size/seating distance. I am not sure how much these panels can be pushed in size, but what happens to projection if they can do an 8' wide OLED. There will still be a market for very large screen theaters, but the pj manufacturers would be hit very hard. Ironically, my best friend thinks he has bought his last pj (JVC RS40). He thinks a flat panel will be his next large screen. The irony part is that his screen is 10' wide. I think we are at least five years away from anything that large.
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