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redfox001
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I also made a picture of 1080p on port 5 with a vga adapter to my Macbook pro with 30 cm length cable.
Switcher is still modified by MP but no transistor and the driver has a MP opamp.
The red in the low ire seems the same the rest is to your judgement. To be completely honest I liked the picture and do not know if the Moome is that much better. I looked at a short part of Fargo that I looked at yesterday (man that is a good series  ) and firstimpression was possitive maybe even better. 
edit: pics not correct bad switcher.
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Direct compare between Moome port 3 and VGA port 5
pics not correct bad switcher.
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The VGA looks a bit better, you might get some better result playing with the filters out of the moome card, they might push to high, and possible stress the sh*t out of the 909.
Not sure, but you might get a better result with a slower rise time out of the moome card.
To start i would go back to all standard boards, and go from there.
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I don't think so. this one was with the old Moome and standard boards. I feel it is a bit worse. It was posted in the Eisemann thread round april 2014.
1080p@60
I think it is simple the whole Barco chain.
pics not correct ad switcher
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Looks like your right, i send you a PM
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Ok just made a fast setup on the G90 with the latest MP mod on the Moome card, and a MP VA board.
The balance looks very nice, running 1080P 60hz.
If there was a way to remove all that harsh noise and streaking...
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how about filtering all the powersupply lines.
or do something similar as what barclay has done with some inductor/cap config on all the boards.
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| dvh99 wrote: | how about filtering all the powersupply lines.
or do something similar as what barclay has done with some inductor/cap config on all the boards. |
What projector are we talking about.?
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I have to say. Unbelievable what you and MP got out of the G90. I would say the G90 is far beyond an unmodified 909.
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| redfox001 wrote: | | I have to say. Unbelievable what you and MP got out of the G90. I would say the G90 is far beyond an unmodified 909. |
This is more or less like a standard G90 wil look like, you might be able to do something like it if you crank up the peaking on your 909.
The BA board i got from mike seems to role off a bit more then a standard, but also looks like it has less peaking/ distortion, you can peak up most stuff, but at some point noise and distortion just mess up more than you gain by a perfect 1:1.
The Marquee is another beast, as he removes peaking and just tweak a real bandwidth, last i seen was a clean 300Mhz, so i dont even know what that would give at -3db.
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But as you said the VGA looks better than the Moome and I see that too now in the 2 pixel and 3 pixel patterns. That must meen that this Moome has not been filtered optimal I guess.
I played with the peaking but it did not do much on the 1:1 perhaps the 2:2 will try that.
edit: it turns out I used some peaking with the VGA. I am back with the Moome now with a little peaking.
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | dvh99 wrote: | how about filtering all the powersupply lines.
or do something similar as what barclay has done with some inductor/cap config on all the boards. |
What projector are we talking about.? |
this applies to all pj`s i guess.
but you know barclay66 (jorge) has a 9500ultra just like me and you.
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| Link Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| dvh99 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | dvh99 wrote: | how about filtering all the powersupply lines.
or do something similar as what barclay has done with some inductor/cap config on all the boards. |
What projector are we talking about.? |
this applies to all pj`s i guess.
but you know barclay66 (jorge) has a 9500ultra just like me and you. |
I never seen caps change bandwidth performance and peaking distortion, i have seen decoupling caps reduce or remove noise.
The Marquee wont do magic with a lot of new caps. And doubt it will improve much on any other CRT for that matter.
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Steve did you get my E-mail? |
I did! Sorry I haven't gotten back to you, yet! A couple of things to clean off the plate first today, and then I'll knock out a scope version for you.
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Here is a patter guys that helps determine what your Gamma is.
But it depends on how far you can stand back in your room to
look at the patterns. You need to walk back till the checker board in the middle of the pattern is not visible and a checker board but more solid. When the out line of that pattern matches the checker board , that is the gamma your display is showing.
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Here is a patter guys that helps determine what your Gamma is.
But it depends on how far you can stand back in your room to
look at the patterns. You need to walk back till the checker board in the middle of the pattern is not visible and a checker board but more solid. When the out line of that pattern matches the checker board , that is the gamma your display is showing. |
If your display is pretty sharp, you may not have enough room to keep walking. One trick we used to use back in my prepress days was to squint to blur your vision. Or, if you wear glasses, take the glasses off. Anything to blur the checkerboard and make them appear 50% grey to your eyes.
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Guys,
Here's a slightly newer version based on some feedback from Kurt. In the old pattern, where the horizontal and vertical crosshatch lines butted together, it would make a brighter line, making it a little hard to evaluate visually. This version adds some 0IRE (black) space between the vertical and horizontal crosshatch patches.
Let me know if this is good, and if everybody is good with making it the final, then I can make some variations, and at slightly different AR's.
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Here is a patter guys that helps determine what your Gamma is.
... When the out line of that pattern matches the checker board , that is the gamma your display is showing. |
!? How the hell does that work?? The outline is different levels of gray. The checkerboards are identical, or close enough I can't tell them apart. I grabbed samples of the 0.8 and 2.3 levels and blew them up, and I can't see any difference.
So is the display supposed to result in different levels of gray for the checkerboard, depending on your gamma? And you look to see which gray level it matches?
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Here is a patter guys that helps determine what your Gamma is.
But it depends on how far you can stand back in your room to
look at the patterns. You need to walk back till the checker board in the middle of the pattern is not visible and a checker board but more solid. When the out line of that pattern matches the checker board , that is the gamma your display is showing. |
What gamma level should we be aiming for?
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