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[nin]

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I wonder what video processor is good for laserdisc and VHS to a 9" CRT projector?
I will not use any DVD/bluray, only LD and VHS (+8-bits game).

[kal]

That would depend on the sort of processing do you need to do. What do you need exactly?

If you only need a scaler, given the lower quality of Laserdisc and VHS I wouldn't spend much money on the scaler. You'd need to find a very old scaler with analog inputs to work with laserdisc/VHS. Nothing sold today accepts analog.

Kal

[kal]

That would depend on the sort of processing do you need to do. What do you need exactly?

If you only need a scaler, given the lower quality of Laserdisc and VHS I wouldn't spend much money on the scaler. You'd need to find a very old scaler with analog inputs to work with laserdisc/VHS. Nothing sold today accepts analog.

Kal

[nin]

Well, it would be to a 9500LC/ultra or a 909. Only VHS and LD and some retrogame.
So I guess I want something that could do great 960P/72hz and if I use a 909, scale retrogames to 480P.
I want something that will give great deinterlacing and scaling. Maybe great color and gamma control. But not a lot of "picture enhancements". Just a clean image signal.
Crystalio II? Older Lumagen?

[kal]

As I mentioned above, I don't think it really matters. A 9500LC/909 is way overkill for such sources.

Kal

[kal]

As I mentioned above, I don't think it really matters. A 9500LC/909 is way overkill for such sources.

Kal

[AnalogRocks]

[AnalogRocks]

[garyfritz]

[AnalogRocks]

Well, yes it can be but with a good processor the picture can look pretty damed good

[AnalogRocks]

Well, yes it can be but with a good processor the picture can look pretty damed good

[kal]

Sure, but my point is that with the low quality you'll get out of any of those 480i sources (especially VHS) it really doesn't matter which video processor you use. The difference in VP quality is going to be completely lost. I wouldn't spend much money on a VP if those are the only sources or worry about the quality of scaling. It would be like worrying about the quality of speakers and amps when your only source is AM radio. It just isn't going to matter.

As well, unless you already own the Ehome 9500LC or Barco 909 projector, I wouldn't spend much on the projector either. In fact, a softer 7" ES projector would make more sense as it'll have fatter scanlines and may look perfectly fine without any scaler at all. If you're going retro some scanlines might actually be a good thing and what you're after. On a well set up 9500LC / 909 (9" EM machines) those scanlines will be way too thin and would absolutely require a scaler.

Kal

[kal]

Sure, but my point is that with the low quality you'll get out of any of those 480i sources (especially VHS) it really doesn't matter which video processor you use. The difference in VP quality is going to be completely lost. I wouldn't spend much money on a VP if those are the only sources or worry about the quality of scaling. It would be like worrying about the quality of speakers and amps when your only source is AM radio. It just isn't going to matter.

As well, unless you already own the Ehome 9500LC or Barco 909 projector, I wouldn't spend much on the projector either. In fact, a softer 7" ES projector would make more sense as it'll have fatter scanlines and may look perfectly fine without any scaler at all. If you're going retro some scanlines might actually be a good thing and what you're after. On a well set up 9500LC / 909 (9" EM machines) those scanlines will be way too thin and would absolutely require a scaler.

Kal

[AnalogRocks]

Kal , have you ever played with Cable/VHS on a 9" CRT through video processors?

[AnalogRocks]

Kal , have you ever played with Cable/VHS on a 9" CRT through video processors?

[AnalogRocks]

Faroudja VP400 line quadrupler. I had a VCR, TV cable box and DVD player running into my Ampro 4000.

Faroudja NR series if you can find one unlocked or set to 1440x960. I had one that was set up for 1366x1024 and looked good on my Ampro 4000. It was then used on a JVC S15 DILA. Great difference between that and the built in S-video input. on both projectors.

Faroudja DVP-1000 digital video processor, can do 1440x960. There's a Faroudja VP-1000 on eBay right now for $80
https://www.ebay.com/?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5336656890&toolid=20008&mkevt=1

Manual here:
http://www.curtpalme.com/docs/DVP-1000.pdf


Also tried the VP50, 1440x960 was available, can't remember how it looked.
http://media.onecall.com/Image_Products/DVDO/VP50_DVDO_032807.pdf

Extron processors are pretty good too. The DVS-204 is SD only scaler, the DVS-304 will also scale HD, there's a DVI version available too.
The IN-1508 does a nice job too and supports DVI out too, but I think the Faroudja was a little better but that's me going from memory. DVS-204/304's $25-$50 each, 1508 $35-$80 each.

Try a few, they're cheap.


One last thing, you may need a video stabilizer on the VHS output, I had to do this or the Faroudja's didn't want to sync with the VHS playback even though cable TV off the VCR was fine.

Probably due to Macrovision. So something like this:
https://www.ebay.com/?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5336656890&toolid=20008&mkevt=1

or this

https://www.ebay.com/?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5336656890&toolid=20008&mkevt=1

So:
Faroudja VP-100, NRS, VP400
DVDO VP-50
Extron DVS-204, 304, IN-1508
& a
Macrovision box.

EDIT: formatting and added a couple of things

[AnalogRocks]

Faroudja VP400 line quadrupler. I had a VCR, TV cable box and DVD player running into my Ampro 4000.

Faroudja NR series if you can find one unlocked or set to 1440x960. I had one that was set up for 1366x1024 and looked good on my Ampro 4000. It was then used on a JVC S15 DILA. Great difference between that and the built in S-video input. on both projectors.

Faroudja DVP-1000 digital video processor, can do 1440x960. There's a Faroudja VP-1000 on eBay right now for $80
https://www.ebay.com/?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5336656890&toolid=20008&mkevt=1

Manual here:
http://www.curtpalme.com/docs/DVP-1000.pdf


Also tried the VP50, 1440x960 was available, can't remember how it looked.
http://media.onecall.com/Image_Products/DVDO/VP50_DVDO_032807.pdf

Extron processors are pretty good too. The DVS-204 is SD only scaler, the DVS-304 will also scale HD, there's a DVI version available too.
The IN-1508 does a nice job too and supports DVI out too, but I think the Faroudja was a little better but that's me going from memory. DVS-204/304's $25-$50 each, 1508 $35-$80 each.

Try a few, they're cheap.


One last thing, you may need a video stabilizer on the VHS output, I had to do this or the Faroudja's didn't want to sync with the VHS playback even though cable TV off the VCR was fine.

Probably due to Macrovision. So something like this:
https://www.ebay.com/?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5336656890&toolid=20008&mkevt=1

or this

https://www.ebay.com/?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5336656890&toolid=20008&mkevt=1

So:
Faroudja VP-100, NRS, VP400
DVDO VP-50
Extron DVS-204, 304, IN-1508
& a
Macrovision box.

EDIT: formatting and added a couple of things

[kal]

Good options Jeremy (AnalogRocks)!

Kal

[kal]

Good options Jeremy (AnalogRocks)!

Kal

[AnalogRocks]

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[AnalogRocks]

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[nin]

Thanks for the suggestion. About what projector there is not much to choice from 2020 in Sweden. I know of a 9500LC/ultra with som MP mods for 500$ in good shape (the same guy have a XG 75 for little less). I know of a ECP 3500 that I can get for free (don't really know of the shape of that one) and I maybe can get a 1209SE. And other is what Curt have for sale.
Yes, VHS, betamax and video 2000 are low resolution (that's why I'm thinking not so big image).
But good Laserdisc (with a Pioneer HLD-X0) can look really nice.
And I'm also thinking about how Playstation 1, 16-bits games will look. Maybe a better projector is good for those for getting sharp and good colors from those games?

[nin]

Here is one using his Barco cine 9 and plays Nintendo 8-bits game.
https://youtu.be/hcFlXATEiS8?t=45

[AnalogRocks]

XG75's nice too. Just watch out for leaky capacitors if it has been unpowered for a long time. If it has, plug it in. Let it sit, power on, no signal and keep an eye on it. We had a guy a few years back with a NOS Madril(?) I think it was. I believe he powered it up, let it sit for a few days and it worked. It gives the capacators time to re-form.

I have a Panasonic VCR like that. I plug it in and wait a week then the display slowly starts lighting up segment by segment.

[AnalogRocks]

XG75's nice too. Just watch out for leaky capacitors if it has been unpowered for a long time. If it has, plug it in. Let it sit, power on, no signal and keep an eye on it. We had a guy a few years back with a NOS Madril(?) I think it was. I believe he powered it up, let it sit for a few days and it worked. It gives the capacators time to re-form.

I have a Panasonic VCR like that. I plug it in and wait a week then the display slowly starts lighting up segment by segment.

[kal]

[kal]