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THX-UltraII
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 Link Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: calibrate my JVC RS45 |
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I m switching a lot between projectors and with every new projector I go to a ISF Certified calibration company and I pay 200 euro for a Grayscale+gamma calibration. So it s time to jump into calibrating myself to save some money 
At this moment I own a JVC RS45 projector and I m projecting in a completely darkened batcave with black ceiling, walls, floor and furniture. My screen is 1.0 and 94,5''.
I want to be able to do decent grayscale and gamma calibrations myself. The RS45 has no CMS but a new projector in the future might have this so I also want to be able to make CMS calibration. It s also important that it is as user friendly as possible and has a good price-performance.
What can you guys recommend me?
Thanks
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stridsvognen
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I started with HCFR and a SPYDER 3 meter, and think its a great start, Now i'm looking for a better meter, but you can get started for around 100$, and find out if you really want to use the time it takes to find out how everything is working.
I think that the limitations for a long time will be your skills, and not the meter. And when you really get good at calibrating, and find the equipment that can do the perfect job, its time to spend the big money on calibrated meters.
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THX-UltraII
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| Link Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | I started with HCFR and a SPYDER 3 meter, and think its a great start, Now i'm looking for a better meter, but you can get started for around 100$, and find out if you really want to use the time it takes to find out how everything is working.
I think that the limitations for a long time will be your skills, and not the meter. And when you really get good at calibrating, and find the equipment that can do the perfect job, its time to spend the big money on calibrated meters.
Kurt |
thxz for your reply Kurt. What if i DO want to get myself a fairly good meter for my purposes, which do you remcommend?
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stridsvognen
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| THX-UltraII wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | I started with HCFR and a SPYDER 3 meter, and think its a great start, Now i'm looking for a better meter, but you can get started for around 100$, and find out if you really want to use the time it takes to find out how everything is working.
I think that the limitations for a long time will be your skills, and not the meter. And when you really get good at calibrating, and find the equipment that can do the perfect job, its time to spend the big money on calibrated meters.
Kurt |
thxz for your reply Kurt. What if i DO want to get myself a fairly good meter for my purposes, which do you remcommend? |
I cant say yet.... I'm spinning around myself.. But im looking at this one.
http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure_EyeOneDisplay3.shtm
Just notice its not free, and recalibrating cost more than a cheep meter. My experience so far tells me that my SPYDER 3 is not the one with the limitations in most setups. Not even with my JVC X7. But with my 9500 and Lumagen scaler i finally feels like i need a better meter, So far it looks like i can bring that set to almost perfect.
On everything else i calibrated its more about finding out whats the best compromise of things, when it cant be perfect.
And thats where its all down to your skills. And i don't think a perfect calibrated meter is helping you with that one.
And remember that your friends and family will just think you went crazy over night when you start all the black talk about CIE chart Gamma RGB and so on.. 
But I'm sure some of the hardcore calibrators with more experience than me will know all about what meter to buy.
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THX-UltraII
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this is probably the most noobish question ever asked on this community but why would I need to buy the chromapure software if I can also download the latest version for free?? I can buy a i1 Display Pro here for 179 euro http://www.eizowinkel.nl/x-rite-i1display-pro.html
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kal
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This is the one I recommend the most. The Display 3 meter gives really fantastic performance for the price. It outsells every other meter we carry by a long shot. Nobody's buying $3000 Hubbles anymore as other than a few isolated cases (need something more rugged, need laser pointer) there simply isn't any point.
It used to be harder to make recommendations. You'd have to ask someone a bunch of questions first. Now it's basically "buy the Display 3" every time.
Give my "which meter is right for me?" guide a read too:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436
ChromaPure's a lot easier to use than ColorHCFR. ChromaPure walks you through the steps in order and offers other newer features. ColorHCFR is basically just a bunch of graphs and you need to understand what you're doing and/or use my free Greyscale guide: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
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| Link Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: calibrate my JVC RS45 |
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| THX-UltraII wrote: | | The RS45 has no CMS but a new projector in the future might have this so I also want to be able to make CMS calibration. |
All software (be it ColorHCFR or ChromaPure) will let you do CMS calibration. You need to have a projector that supports it however. If not, you can do it with a Radiance: http://www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm (among other things too like parametric greyscale & gamma, and even completely automated calibration with Chromapure).
| Quote: | | It s also important that it is as user friendly as possible and has a good price-performance. |
That would be the Display 3 + ChromaPure. See: http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure_EyeOneDisplay3.shtm
The "PRO" version will give you greater accuracy on 10+ display types. It's a personal choice whether you want to save the $150 between the two versions. Both work well.
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THX-UltraII
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I m leaning towards the i1 display pro. Is the enhanced version recommended for calibration of the RS45 of is the standard i1 display pro good enough?
Also, is the i1 pro future proof when I would buy a new projector (with CMS).
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kal
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| THX-UltraII wrote: | | is the standard i1 display pro good enough? |
That's not a question others can answer for you. It all depends on your desire for accuracy and what you want to achieve.
Most of the world doesn't do any calibration of their displays at all because they feel that purchasing the display and simply plugging it in is "good enough".
The "PRO" version means the exact meter you get is carefully measured and offsets for 10+ different display types are created to increase the accuracy. This fixes the inherent variances that exist from unit to unit with a mass built product such as this (which is normal) and then takes it a step further to correct for the way certain displays are seen by this tristimulus colorimeter.
So how much "better" the PRO version is depends on (a) how off the original meter was to begin with (this varies), and (b) What sort of display you're going to be calibrating.
That said, the increased accuracy in most cases is not enormous. Most people are probably getting 80%+ the way there with the standard meter. Some people want to go one better. The PRO version is for these people. Everyone has different needs/expectations.
For complete details on how this works and what displays are supported for enhanced accuracy, see the section called "What is the EyeOne Display 3 PRO?" on our Display 3 order page here:
http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure_EyeOneDisplay3.shtm
| Quote: | | Also, is the i1 pro future proof when I would buy a new projector (with CMS). |
Whether a projector has a CMS or not should not affect your meter buying decision. This meter will work just fine. It reads colours, levels of grey, and everything in between. Getting a projector with a CMS just means that you'll be able to adjust the primary colours that you're reading by adjusting the CMS in the projector. If your projector today doesn't have a CMS built in then you can still read and map out how the primaries look but you'll have no way to adjust unless you add an external video processor like the Radiance for example (see: http://www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm).
Kal
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