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| Spanky Ham wrote: | http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/diy/813-diy-calibration-overview.html
Secrets did a review of the different software. I thought it was pretty informative and Kal even got a plug.  |
Cool! Thanks for posting! Glad they linked to my guide! 
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A heads up that we'll be featuring ChromaPure software and hardware packages here at CurtPalme.com soon - at exclusive CurtPalme.com discounted prices too! They won't be available anywhere else this cheap! Stay tuned!
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Any update, Kal? I am going back and forth between Calman and ChromaPure.
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I'm busy working on the ChromaPure order pages but they're not there yet (there's lots of work to do!). All of their products will be offered at a special CurtPalme.com discount as compared to what you'd pay through their own site. You'll get the exact same thing in the end of the day (since you're buying directly from them), you'll just have more money in your pocket at the end of the day.
ChromaPure also only charges $10 for US shipping or $40 for anywhere in the world, on any product. Pretty cheap!
Which ChromaPure product are you interested in? Email me what you're interested in at kal@curtpalme.com and we can manually invoice you for the product(s) you want.
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Any update, Kal? I am going back and forth between Calman and ChromaPure. |
I have v4 and because so i decided to trade in my 2 HDQ's for 2 Radiance XS's to get the full CMS and the automation
for calibration of the blend. On the forum there are quite a few bugs but they are very quick in fixing them so far.
But from the one calibration i tried with my existing lumagens the program is very nice. my i1 Pro seams faster in reading yet still accurate.
If they can not add the DIY HCFR probe then i'll have to buy a D2 or C5 tri stimulus probe to aument the i1 pro.
I give it a thumbs up for sure.
How it compares tot he new kid on the block i am not sure, but if Chroma pure could do automation it be a nice selling point for me.
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| kal wrote: | | I'm busy working on the ChromaPure order pages but they're not there yet (there's lots of work to do!). All of their products will be offered at a special CurtPalme.com discount as compared to what you'd pay through their own site. You'll get the exact same thing in the end of the day (since you're buying directly from them), you'll just have more money in your pocket at the end of the day. |
That is what I was hoping. Is Tom going to get his own forum?
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ChromaPure also only charges $10 for US shipping or $40 for anywhere in the world, on any product. Pretty cheap!
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Does he have compromising pics of the Postmaster General? Seriously, $10 is a really good price.
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Which ChromaPure product are you interested in? Email me what you're interested in at kal@curtpalme.com and we can manually invoice you for the product(s) you want.
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This is something I have been debating. I am not sure if I want to do some calibrating as a sideline business or just for myself and friends/family. If the latter, then I would lean more to the inexpensive route. If the former, then I have to figure out how to make it work as an add-on to my existing business. I don't want to get into anything comprehensive, more like a basic calibration. This idea is for another thread. I think the Chroma 5 Pro or i1 would be appropriate for something like that. It looks like Tom's C5 Pro is finely tuned. At $675, it might be a real price/performance leader.
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | Any update, Kal? I am going back and forth between Calman and ChromaPure. |
I have v4 and because so i decided to trade in my 2 HDQ's for 2 Radiance XS's to get the full CMS and the automation
for calibration of the blend. On the forum there are quite a few bugs but they are very quick in fixing them so far.
But from the one calibration i tried with my existing lumagens the program is very nice. my i1 Pro seams faster in reading yet still accurate.
If they can not add the DIY HCFR probe then i'll have to buy a D2 or C5 tri stimulus probe to aument the i1 pro.
I give it a thumbs up for sure.
How it compares tot he new kid on the block i am not sure, but if Chroma pure could do automation it be a nice selling point for me.
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Why do you need to buy another probe if they don't support the DIY?
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | Any update, Kal? I am going back and forth between Calman and ChromaPure. |
I have v4 and because so i decided to trade in my 2 HDQ's for 2 Radiance XS's to get the full CMS and the automation
for calibration of the blend. On the forum there are quite a few bugs but they are very quick in fixing them so far.
But from the one calibration i tried with my existing lumagens the program is very nice. my i1 Pro seams faster in reading yet still accurate.
If they can not add the DIY HCFR probe then i'll have to buy a D2 or C5 tri stimulus probe to aument the i1 pro.
I give it a thumbs up for sure.
How it compares tot he new kid on the block i am not sure, but if Chroma pure could do automation it be a nice selling point for me.
Athanasios |
Why do you need to buy another probe if they don't support the DIY? |
The i1 pro is great but its a slower probe than tri stimulus probes. The idea is you profile your tri stimulus to the more accurate spectrometer type probes and use that for calibration. You now will get the accuracy of the Spectrometer with the speed of the tri stimulus. Also the i1 Pro is not that great at under 15 IRE's and some Tri stimulus probes are. like the Croma 5 , my DIY HCFR probe and the newly re released DTP94.
Most pro calibrators have two or three probes for that and other reasons.
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| Link Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | Any update, Kal? I am going back and forth between Calman and ChromaPure. |
I have v4 and because so i decided to trade in my 2 HDQ's for 2 Radiance XS's to get the full CMS and the automation
for calibration of the blend.
Athanasios |
OUCH... I knew you were gonna do it.  I'm not far behind either, I think 
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| dturco wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | Any update, Kal? I am going back and forth between Calman and ChromaPure. |
I have v4 and because so i decided to trade in my 2 HDQ's for 2 Radiance XS's to get the full CMS and the automation
for calibration of the blend.
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OUCH... I knew you were gonna do it. I'm not far behind either, I think |
Yeah, I had to take the great offer they gave me. Plus I am glad I got the pro version of CalMAN with the i1 pro
bundle last spring before the major price increase.
If i did not finally use the limited CMS in my HDQ's to get the greyscale fixed and then also the Gamma i do not think I would have bit the bullet. It got the blend that much better. I could see where getting the Secondaries and the third dimension , the intensity that only a true CMS can achieve was going to be the holy grail for the blend. And I am desperately trying to get TV-One to implement the Gamma (and they said they have enough room for CMS as well)
that until they do i had t make a choice. It was between the Video EQ pro and the XS's. i figured if TV-One comes out with full CMS then I can sell one XS and use the other as the main switcher before the Tv-Ones .
But Dave if you have not used the 11 point Gamma in your Lumagen yet with a calibration program like CalMAN or HCFR your missing out. you can get a perfect flat grey scale. and if your green ad red or blue are slightly over saturated you can use the Gamut control to bring those inline. the only problem I had doing that is it threw my secondaries off by a visual noticeable amount. that was what made me realize i need the secondary control of the XS.
And If i ended up hiring a calibrator to use what I had and dial it in it be quite costly, and a waste of the i1 pro and calman cost. So i bit the bullet. the recent 0% finance charge card offer was also a major player in the decision too 
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No I haven't played with it for real yet, it still won't take 1080p24 even after the most recent update from Lumagens site. Plus with the test disc in my one to one pixel is squirmy and so is the grid on the internal test patterns. So I need to do a re-set but the picture looks good while playing a movie, so I haven't bothered with that yet.
Plus I've actually been working for the last 2 months 
Not building any houses still, but lots of repair work for the punch-lists for real estate settlements, and getting homes ready for marketing.
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Welcome, Tom!
I am going to hold off on any purchase for now. I now have to replace the brakes in my Astro (front and back) and some computer hardware that got fried. Depending on how the rest of the summer goes will determine when I jump in. Hopefully, I will see you at Cedia.
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I was thinking of trying it out myself , but i've spent too much on calibration stuff and am picking up the Lumagen's tomorrow to go with CalMAN 4. But Tom said he is working on it for the Lumagen's as soon as they get the Duo integration done.
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | This is something I have been debating. I am not sure if I want to do some calibrating as a sideline business or just for myself and friends/family. If the latter, then I would lean more to the inexpensive route. If the former, then I have to figure out how to make it work as an add-on to my existing business. I don't want to get into anything comprehensive, more like a basic calibration. This idea is for another thread. I think the Chroma 5 Pro or i1 would be appropriate for something like that. It looks like Tom's C5 Pro is finely tuned. At $675, it might be a real price/performance leader. |
Even better at our CurtPalme.com discounted price of course.
Your story's one that I've read over and over again now and is one of the reasons why I decided to bring Tom on board here: With his current ChromaPure licencing strategy it doesn't matter how you use the software. You can buy it for yourself and then if later you decide to go pro, so be it. You're not violating the licencing agreement by charging people for calibrations. Worst case, if you do decide to shift over to another software, you haven't really lost much (maybe $100). To me it's a win-win.
The difference in CalMAN vs ChromaPure licensing strategies lets our customers choose what's best for them. There's no right or wrong: They're both great products (I wouldn't carry them if they weren't).
I’ve been following ChromaPure for a long time in the forums and know Tom pretty well. The 20,000 word “Greyscale & Colour Calibration for Dummies” guide I wrote 2+ years ago was based on his published workflow process. It’s sound and his ChromaPure software is good. Just read some of the testimonials on our order page.
Again, in the end I feel it’s up to the user to choose what’s right for them and not try to force one solution on overyone. I present the facts and let the users decide. Someone who wants more meter & pattern generator support & workflow flexibility may choose CalMAN. Someone who wants only one meter and is ok with a set work flow process and wants to save money may choose ChromaPure. The good news is that there's really no wrong decision.
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| kal wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | This is something I have been debating. I am not sure if I want to do some calibrating as a sideline business or just for myself and friends/family. If the latter, then I would lean more to the inexpensive route. If the former, then I have to figure out how to make it work as an add-on to my existing business. I don't want to get into anything comprehensive, more like a basic calibration. This idea is for another thread. I think the Chroma 5 Pro or i1 would be appropriate for something like that. It looks like Tom's C5 Pro is finely tuned. At $675, it might be a real price/performance leader. |
Even better at our CurtPalme.com discounted price of course. |
With the shipping price, it is almost a steal.
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Your story's one that I've read over and over again now and is one of the reasons why I decided to bring Tom on board here: With his current ChromaPure licencing strategy it doesn't matter how you use the software. You can buy it for yourself and then if later you decide to go pro, so be it. You're not violating the licencing agreement by charging people for calibrations. Worst case, if you do decide to shift over to another software, you haven't really lost much (maybe $100). To me it's a win-win.
The difference in CalMAN vs ChromaPure licensing strategies lets our customers choose what's best for them. There's no right or wrong: They're both great products (I wouldn't carry them if they weren't).
I’ve been following ChromaPure for a long time in the forums and know Tom pretty well. The 20,000 word “Greyscale & Colour Calibration for Dummies” guide I wrote 2+ years ago was based on his published workflow process. It’s sound and his ChromaPure software is good. Just read some of the testimonials on our order page.
Again, in the end I feel it’s up to the user to choose what’s right for them and not try to force one solution on overyone. I present the facts and let the users decide. Someone who wants more meter & pattern generator support & workflow flexibility may choose CalMAN. Someone who wants only one meter and is ok with a set work flow process and wants to save money may choose ChromaPure. The good news is that there's really no wrong decision.
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Since this thread was started with the comparison article, I will say that this is what got me interested in Chromapure. I hadn't really followed Tom's effort and this article gave a nice overview. Even though I need to take a much closer look at both, I kind of like the way Tom has his software laid out. I know Calman can be custom tailored, but if Toms already fits my thought process then why reinvent the wheel. Also, I do like the fact that if I decide to go the pro route then there are no extra charges. Calman is probably much better for the full time Pro, but if I do it then it will be very much a sideline thing.
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How does the saying go? “May you live in interesting times?”
People are going to notice that SpectraCal is absent from our site today. Here's the scoop:
I warned SpectraCal of ChromaPure coming on board here at CurtPalme.com about 2 weeks ago. I figured it was the fair thing to do.
They did not like the idea as they think it’ll “confuse users”. I believe that giving customers more options is good so I held to my beliefs.
Long story short, SpectraCal last night asked that all of their products be removed from our site. This has now mostly been done. I still have a lot of work to do so I appologize in advance. It wasn't my intent to cause confusion.
We wish you luck Tom with ChromaPure! Your product is excellent, your prices are fair, and from what I've seen and hear your support is second to none. I also appreciate Tom's no-nonsense approach to calibration.
For complete details see: www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure.shtm
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