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Marquee 9500 arcing everywhere, need new HV hardware
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PostLink    Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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What's the difference between a Marquee HV splitter and a AmPro HV splitter? They both look generic.

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PostLink    Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There can't be any big difference other than physical. Both do the same thing in systems that are almost identical. One may or may not have resistors or different value resistors. The resistors limit arc current without lowering performance, much.

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PostLink    Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what else I think happens with the hv tips that go to the splitter. If you solder them on the solder is soft and cavitates giving a poor connection , so I soldered on some copper caps to the tips , So far so good, the case is on a I've clocked up 12 hours.
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PostLink    Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might put some asphalt loom around the HV cable too.

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PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok now I'm officially pissed off !! New HV cables New splitter and still arcing everywhere, it seems to be the most prevalent around the splitter connection for the blue tube , could I have a bad tube , as honestly I've run out of ideas . The pic below is holding the remote 1 inch away from the blue connector .

I did notice that the new HV leads i got from curt don't have the extra insulation around it , I even wrapped this up with spiral wrap and still no joy. This is the single most annoying problem I have ever encountered, spent 100's of hours and $$ and i'm no better off Evil or Very Mad Any ideas ?? I'm out !!!

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PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wonder if its the HV main cable from the HVPS?

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PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nashou66 wrote:
i wonder if its the HV main cable from the HVPS?

Athanasios


I thought that, but it only seems to be the tube wires that hiss when you put something near them and the main one from the supply doesn't do that , at the moment its only the blue one near to the splitter.
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PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when the blue HV cable is disconnected doe it hiss still?

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PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nashou66 wrote:
when the blue HV cable is disconnected doe it hiss still?

Athanasios


Haven't tried, would I have to bung that hole up ?? I did that on an NEC once and had to change my undies after the bang Shocked
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PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, i never thought of that. I have done it on my Marquee a couple times but never got close to the Splitter.

How about disconnecting the black umbilical cord to the blue so it wont turn on? I know that is possible but not sure if it
prevents HV from activating in the tube. The Pros would know more.

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PostLink    Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SweetChuck wrote:
Nashou66 wrote:
when the blue HV cable is disconnected doe it hiss still?
Athanasios


Haven't tried, would I have to bung that hole up ?? I did that on an NEC once and had to change my undies after the bang Shocked
I've done this many times and never had anything arc out of the splitter with a tube disconnected. Of course your problem is wierd too, i've never had problems with the splitter or leaking at the splitter and i've had dozens and dozens here.
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you ensure that you did not get any silicone or RTV on the anode lead under the boot? I made that mistake. You only need a bead around the outside edge of the boot and thats it. You let it ride up into the anode connection, and now your creating a path for the high voltage to follow.
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sparky015 wrote:
Did you ensure that you did not get any silicone or RTV on the anode lead under the boot? I made that mistake. You only need a bead around the outside edge of the boot and thats it. You let it ride up into the anode connection, and now your creating a path for the high voltage to follow.


I was very carefull with the boots when I re siliconed them, You would think though if there was a problem around the tube anode the arcing would come from there , but you can put a screwdriver near the anode cap and all the way down the lead and no arcing until you get a couple of inches away from the splitter then all hell breaks loose. I'm almost considering Siliconing up the blue splitter boot and be done with it , but if I do that , I'm sure it will just travel up the lead and escape from elsewhere , Its as if the electrons want nothing to do with the splitter and want to escape the hell outta there.

Also you can put that blue connector on any splitter port and it arcs
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sound like your new HV lead is bad. Can you look at it closely and see if it has any cracks in it or pin holes, possibly under the plastic connector. Some times even knew cables can have imperfections. Just a bunch of bad luck it seams.

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ricky

I've run both NECs and my Barco with the tubes disconnected from the splitter. Sometimes one tube, sometimes all.

Obviously you don't poke your fingers down there, but the collar on the splitter is long enough to stop an arc under normal circumstances (unless the humidity where you live makes a difference).

Got any old NEC tubes? Use those HV leads, I've never had a problem with a NEC lead, even old crappy ones.
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you get the new HV leads from me? Once in a while I'll get a set in that's been exposed to long term moisture, and I change the HV splitter and HV leads. As others have said, you can run sets with an HV lead taken out of the splitter and it should not arc.

if a set has been exposed to short term moisture, you can usually clean the lead/insulation/connector with alcohol and a paper towel. Wipe everything down really well,and if the arcing stops, then you're fine.

I do remember chasing a leaky HV splitter for the first time for hours. AS with you, I changed all HV leads, and couldn't get rid of the sizzle until I changed the splitter. Since I'd never had that before, I thought the splitter was fine. I've had 4-5 bad splitters since.
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PostLink    Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking about possible grounding problems. If, for example, you run the tubes with the bell grounds disconnected, you'll get some arcing and snapping as the bells build up a charge...and one hell of one, at that. The ground system has to be good or you'll get
discharge issues.

Maybe ground straps are missing or disconnected. Essentially, every piece of metal in the PJ needs to be grounded to the chassis,
and the chassis needs to be grounded via the power supplies. A power supply problem could actually be responsible for this issue,
as a result.


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PostLink    Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm finally arc free ATM . In desperation I put a bead of silicone around the rubber and connectors to the splitter and left it for a week , and not a sizzle Thumbs Up I know its not technically correct, it does not answer any questions and I may have some trouble if I need to disconnect it, but I just don't care , I'm on holidays and am going to sit in my cinema and watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy in one sitting.

Thanks for the help everyone
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PostLink    Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Curt,this is exactly what is happening to GOZER!!!
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PostLink    Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

One of your Hobson connectors make be cracked and leaky.

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