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Mac: Broken Sony KP-53V80 4:3 set. No Red or Blue output
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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:16 pm    Post subject: Mac: Broken Sony KP-53V80 4:3 set. No Red or Blue output Reply with quote


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Hi Mac, my neighbour was just given a Sony KP-53V80. I'm just heading out to have a look at it. There's no output from the Red tube he says. We'll tear it apart and see what's what.

Any known issues with this chassis? STK chip? etc....


TIA man

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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Mac: Broken Sony KP-53V80 4:3 set. No Red output Reply with quote

AnalogRocks wrote:
Hi Mac, my neighbour was just given a Sony KP-53V80. I'm just heading out to have a look at it. There's no output from the Red tube he says. We'll tear it apart and see what's what.

Any known issues with this chassis? STK chip? etc....


TIA man



Fingers swollen today? Laughing

I think you mean KP-53V80....... Mr. Green Ya got it right in the heading but I didn't notice it until now. I can't HEAR you....

Let me see what I got........ Smile
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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Mac: Broken Sony KP-53V80 4:3 set. No Red output Reply with quote

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AnalogRocks wrote:
Hi Mac, my neighbour was just given a Sony KP-53V80. I'm just heading out to have a look at it. There's no output from the Red tube he says. We'll tear it apart and see what's what.

Any known issues with this chassis? STK chip? etc....


TIA man



Fingers swollen today? Laughing

I think you mean KP-53V80....... Mr. Green Ya got it right in the heading but I didn't notice it until now. I can't HEAR you....

Let me see what I got........ Smile


Hahah nice. Semantic's aren't they grand?

BTW I blame this keyboard. It likes to type extra characters from time to time just for the hell of it.

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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pulled a copy of the SM so I have that.

Did a check and no common failures, which is a good thing.

I'll check for service bulletins.

STK's wont cause no red.

Let me know what you have after you get a look at it.
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PostLink    Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No red output is a video issue, not an STK issue. The last time I had one, the video output chip was bad, and it was mounted right on the CRT socket. All three should be identical if the chip is on the socket, and you can swap neck boards to see if the problem is on that board.

If it's not, then try putting up the test/convergence pattern to see if that works on the red. If so, check other input connections, whatever one was being used could have cracked on the input PC board.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got back. I have it all apart. No obvious burnt components. We've now lost the blue as well.

All tubes are glowing.
I've got raster on the Blue and the Red, no image.

Green is fired up as normal projecting a picture.

I had to chide my neighbour for twiddling with the lens focus before I got there. He said he just couldn't help himself Laughing

The green neck card is different than the blue and the red. If the tube numbers are the same shall I swap the green socket to the red then the blue?

I haven't done a close examination of the neck cards yet.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnalogRocks wrote:
Just got back. I have it all apart. No obvious burnt components. We've now lost the blue as well.

All tubes are glowing.
I've got raster on the Blue and the Red, no image.

Green is fired up as normal projecting a picture.

I had to chide my neighbour for twiddling with the lens focus before I got there. He said he just couldn't help himself Laughing

The green neck card is different than the blue and the red. If the tube numbers are the same shall I swap the green socket to the red then the blue?

I haven't done a close examination of the neck cards yet.


How about menus?
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok done playing for the night. Everything's green.

The menu's are all green, the quick focus was green only. The neck cards are glued in place so I'll have to try chipping away at it if we want to swap neck boards.

The power LED on the front is flashing slowly RED.

The green also has a diagonal retrace lines that are arced back and forth across the screen:

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need very specific answers.

1: Does the green display clear video?

2: Is there sound?

3: Is the menu clear?

4: If menu is clear can you go into the menu and look for an adjustment screen for red/blue and does it bring up a cross hair?
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yea.

5: How many blinks per cycle, if it pauses between a certain number of blinks.

I'll guess 5.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

macgyver655 wrote:
I need very specific answers.

1: Does the green display clear video?

2: Is there sound?

3: Is the menu clear?

4: If menu is clear can you go into the menu and look for an adjustment screen for red/blue and does it bring up a cross hair?


1: No, the green's very washed out.

2: Yes, the sound is perfect

3: No the menu's not very clear at all.

4: I can't enter the setup. It keeps telling me to connect the TV cable even though it's already connected.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

macgyver655 wrote:
oh yea.

5: How many blinks per cycle, if it pauses between a certain number of blinks.

I'll guess 5.


5: I'll check tomorrow.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you change components? I don't know if I ever asked you that, LOL.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Engine and transmission yes. Soldering maybe....

Here's what the menu's looked like.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll PM you tomorrow on what you gotta do........
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll PM you tomorrow on what you gotta do........


Cool thanks

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK I poked around as per Mac's instructions. Those capacitors look ok. However I couldn't find any of my 5 DMM's Laughing So I'll have to test them later.

I did manage to snap a piece of the power supply board off though damit! There's a really tight spade lug in the middle of the board I pulled and wigled, wiggled and pulled. Then the board snapped.

The hardest connector was on a peninsula part of the board with a moat machined around it. 1/4 inch or board holding on one end and 3/8" of board on the other. Stupid design.

SO I have to fix that too. ( grumble...sony...grumble ) Rolling Eyes

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnalogRocks wrote:
Those capacitors look ok.


You are joking, right?
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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AnalogRocks wrote:
Those capacitors look ok.


You are joking, right?


No, I'll post pictures in a minute. My card read came unplugged.

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The caps I PM'ed you to change stated, change them, dont look at them, dont test them...... change them. Then I said just look around for any visual things.
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