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contemplationaveugle




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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: CALIBRATION SONY G90 Reply with quote


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First of all sorry for my bad English

Hi I post this subject in France for those interested in the calibration sony G90.

It was the dochlywd's Sony g90


Video Configuration:
- Platinum source TOSHIBA HD XE1 (fw 2.7)
- HDMI / DVI REAL CABLE (5m)
- Broadcaster tritube SONY VPH G90
- Input card IFB DVI johnHWman
- Screen for the moment there is not projected on the wall but it will happen
- Room not dedicated black soil

Calibration configuration
- PC xp pro
- Software HCFR
- Spyder probe 2
- HD DVD AVS Rods
- Measurement of the window 100 IRE to 12.8 ftl


Settings:
- TOSHIBA XE1
-contrast -7 (large white or burnt)
7-lum
-sat -1

- SONY G90
defocal-on
Defocus-blue + between 20 and 30 (important for any TT that gamma is blue in the right place!)


Result:
Below 30 IRE the spyder 2 is not quite accurate, I will make a new measurement with the probe HCFR



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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I knew what those graphs meant Sad

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contemplationaveugle




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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This graphics software HCFR colorimetry.
The curves correspond to the RGB levels, the color temperature must be at 6500, the gammas to be located at 2.2 and the color saturation
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never used the probe that you are using but I would say it looks pretty good overall except for the extreme low end.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

your Gamma Settings are bad!
2,5-2,6 is better.

Regards Bernd

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

n@t wrote:
Hi,

your Gamma Settings are bad!
2,5-2,6 is better.

Regards Bernd

Not true. Anywhere between 2.2 and 2.5 is good. It all depends on the room and viewer preferences.
If the room is a 'bat cave' (100% black) with lots of light control to get rid of reflections off the walls/floor/ceiling then closer to 2.5 (less gamma boost) may be ok.

If the room is the way I see it above with white walls I would suggest that he stick with more gamma of around 2.2 (lower numbers means more gamma boost).

For what it's worth my room's somewhere in between and I still prefer 2.2 on my setup.

Really nice results on the graphs! Other than the sub-30 IRE readings (which few meters do right) everything looks bang on to me! I wouldn't change a thing!

Kal

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

huggy wrote:
I wish I knew what those graphs meant Sad

Dave


Easy solution. Read my guide:



I explain them all and how to do your greyscale from scratch. I assume the reader knows nothing about any of this stuff.

Kal

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cedric!

Glad to hear you're dialing it in!!! I hope you are enjoying the great pic that the G90 can produce. I forgot to ask what screen you are using? It almost looks like a painted flat wall.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kal wrote:
n@t wrote:
Hi,

your Gamma Settings are bad!
2,5-2,6 is better.

Regards Bernd

Not true. Anywhere between 2.2 and 2.5 is good. It all depends on the room and viewer preferences.
If the room is a 'bat cave' (100% black) with lots of light control to get rid of reflections off the walls/floor/ceiling then closer to 2.5 (less gamma boost) may be ok.

If the room is the way I see it above with white walls I would suggest that he stick with more gamma of around 2.2 (lower numbers means more gamma boost).

Really nice results on the graphs! Other than the sub-30 IRE readings (which few meters do right) everything looks bang on to me! I wouldn't change a thing!

Kal


Exactly, kal, you have anticipated me for the answer!
Gamma to 2.2 was necessary because I don't have a completely dark room.
For values below 30 IRE I think the spyder probe is not precise enough to measure. I'll try another probe (HCFR) is better in measures of dark or with my crysatlio 2 I will try to correct these values.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dochlywd wrote:
Cedric!

Glad to hear you're dialing it in!!! I hope you are enjoying the great pic that the G90 can produce. I forgot to ask what screen you are using? It almost looks like a painted flat wall.


Thank you, exactly for the time being I plan on painting my wall, but the screen will happen!

My resolution is 1920x817p71.94
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

contemplationaveugle wrote:
dochlywd wrote:
Cedric!

Glad to hear you're dialing it in!!! I hope you are enjoying the great pic that the G90 can produce. I forgot to ask what screen you are using? It almost looks like a painted flat wall.


Thank you, exactly for the time being I plan on painting my wall, but the screen will happen!

My resolution is 1920x817p71.94

Nice choice on that resolution... one of my favorites Smile

Charts look really good too. And as you suggest, the Spider will not measure accurately below 30 IRE. Most likely your gray scale is good below 30 IRE because G90's track very flatly in general.

Have you ever spoke with John? He's a fellow Frenchman who is very good with the G90's. Here is a link to his web page.

http://johnhwman.free.fr//index.html

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, for what it's worth, I think gamma of around 2.2 on a G90 is plenty high. The G90's somehow appear to have a higher gamma than they really do. Don't ask me why or how that can be, but I usually set G90's up with 2.2 ~ 2.3.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely talk to John (Jean) if you have questions too... I think he has about 5 G90's now. Wink

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know john! I see that it is successful here.
I have often over the phone, I learned a lot with him, it is a person available who is listening.
He helped me to communicate with dochlywd to bring the G90 in France.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

contemplationaveugle wrote:
I know john! I see that it is successful here.
I have often over the phone, I learned a lot with him, it is a person available who is listening.
He helped me to communicate with dochlywd to bring the G90 in France.

John has given me a lot of help over the years too Smile

Very smart man.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael if you want the history and changes in your sony G90 in France here is a link :
http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/tritubes-f7/mon-nouveau-jouet-sony-vph-g90-t27117.html
I just bought 3 tubes p19lug to put in place with c green marquee element 9500.
I look at the work of mike parker 1080p72 on the G90.
I will try with my crystalio 2 a flea from Algolith.
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PostLink    Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the eyes Wink


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PostLink    Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

contemplationaveugle wrote:
For the eyes Wink


A bikini would make this shot much better Wink

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get it is she going to stab you in the eyes for bringing this big monstrosity into her home?Very Happy

On your link, it looks like you bought it last year. I hope you get good use out of it. With the chip issue, the G90s are risky purchases these days.
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PostLink    Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spanky Ham wrote:
I don't get it is she going to stab you in the eyes for bringing this big monstrosity into her home?Very Happy

On your link, it looks like you bought it last year. I hope you get good use out of it. With the chip issue, the G90s are risky purchases these days.

The issue with the failing chip is being blown out of proportion IMHO. I mean how many have actually failed this way??? I know of no more than 10 G90's, and most were fixed with doner YA boards out of parts units. Sure it is a pain if you own one, but parts unit G90's are becoming available these days and the chances that you will be effected are very low...

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