I know of a man selling a G90 for under $2000. It was purchased in Dec of 2000. The chasiss has almost 10,000 on it. the tubes were replaced in 2004 and currently have 1500 hours on them. Is this a deal?
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Link Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:04 am Post subject:
Buy it :twisted:Gotta really want a G90 to own one from what I can tell. All the machines have certain quirks. PArts are reportedly getting hard to come buy and tubes? Ouch. They say the picture is supreme. If I had 2000.00 lying around that I didn't need for something like food or kids clothes or rent, I'd buy it. A lot of people would. You'd probably be stoked to have a 90. But it occurs to me that a 10000 hour G90 (it is a sony after all) might be a wee bit tired. Maybe it isn't tired. Who knows? The sony gods probably
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Link Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:36 am Post subject:
A properly set up G70 will show a nice(well pretty decent) 1080p picture. $2000 is a good price for a working G90 with little to no wear on the CRTs. It is all about how much you want to spend to get into CRT projectors.
Link Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject:
rabies_70 wrote:
Buy it :twisted:Gotta really want a G90 to own one from what I can tell. All the machines have certain quirks. PArts are reportedly getting hard to come buy and tubes? Ouch. They say the picture is supreme. If I had 2000.00 lying around that I didn't need for something like food or kids clothes or rent, I'd buy it. A lot of people would. You'd probably be stoked to have a 90. But it occurs to me that a 10000 hour G90 (it is a sony after all) might be a wee bit tired. Maybe it isn't tired. Who knows? The sony gods probably
Yep I own a G70. LOVE it too.
Buy it You'll like it.
One of my G90's has 14,000 hours on it and no issues except extreme cold (G90s do not like cold), but both my low and high hour projectors suffer from this.
Link Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject:
It is a good deal... if you want it and can afford it, and the tubes are in good shape.
upside
You get to watch a great picture until you have a problem. (could be years)
projector quits working, you get to sell 10f lenses, R & G c-elements, frankenyokes, and tubes, if they are good.
You could probably sell boards for a premium to someone needing one. (may take time)
downside
You would however probably have to pay a premium for a board should you require one.
You should be able to pick up a used tube if required but it may take time.
Link Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject:
Let's not forget that if you're going to something like a G90, then you'll really want an excellent HDMI IFB. That's another $400. Also, if you're going to the trouble of getting and setting up a G90, then you might also want a scaler to run 1080p@72 from a 1080p24 input. What's that, another $2000+?
Of course, by that time, you'll probably also want a good pro setup by the G90 master, Ken Whitcomb. While TOTALLY worth it, that's not a figure to gloss over, either.
Even if you don't go the scaler route, I'd say figure at least a grand on top of the G90 purchase price to get the full benefit of the projector. And if you're not going to exploit the full capabilities of the projector, then why bother with the G90 in the first place.
Link Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject:
Brooklyn wrote:
A properly set up G70 will show a nice(well pretty decent) 1080p picture.
Decent? Huh? A properly setup G70 looks fantastic at 1080P. Better than virtually any other PJ on the planet. Its a hair soft and some might prefer 1080i but it simply does not get a whole lot better unless you have a good 9 incher.
As far as $2000 for a G90 with 1500 on tubes and 10,000 on the PJ? This is practically brand new. 10,000 hours on a the chassis is nothing and 1500 on the tubes, if they it was set up properly for HT, is virtually new.
A year ago, there would be a fight to the death to get a low hour G90 for $2000. Heck a 9 inch Ampro would have fetched more.
If you have the money and are obsessed with having the best image money can buy than its' a steal.. buy it and look for a high hour G90 for parts and then you are good to go for the next 5 -15 years depending on how much you watch movies/TV etc.
BTW, If it's the one on Craigslist in LA. I called the guy, It's sold.
Another way to look at it is this, What can you get for anywhere close to $2000 in a digital projector that would compare to a G90? The answer is nothing at all. You still have to spend over $5000 to get something that compares with an 8" PJ.
Link Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject:
ecrabb wrote:
Let's not forget that if you're going to something like a G90, then you'll really want an excellent HDMI IFB. That's another $400. Also, if you're going to the trouble of getting and setting up a G90, then you might also want a scaler to run 1080p@72 from a 1080p24 input. What's that, another $2000+?
Of course, by that time, you'll probably also want a good pro setup by the G90 master, Ken Whitcomb. While TOTALLY worth it, that's not a figure to gloss over, either.
Even if you don't go the scaler route, I'd say figure at least a grand on top of the G90 purchase price to get the full benefit of the projector. And if you're not going to exploit the full capabilities of the projector, then why bother with the G90 in the first place.
This all assumes it's in excellent condition.
SC
???? Huh? You can apply this reasoning to any PJ or for that matter any car, house, motorcycle and on and on and on.
How about this, Buy the projector for $2000, buy a blurry player for $400 buy a HDfury, set it up yourself and enjoy an image better than most on the planet.
Getting the "full benefit" out of any projector is a non ending process, and is dependent on advances in technology. You'll never get the full benefit because you are chasing a dream. There is always something better, sharper cleaner.
Link Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject:
BTW, what happened to that Toshiba P7300U your bro gave you?
I just looked at the tube pics you posted in the other thread and it seems you already have a pretty good projector there.
What I would do: Stick with it for now, be patient, set the Toshiba up on 1080i, it has a years of use left in it. Those minty P16 tubes should be pretty sharp and give a nice picture. Of course G70 on $200 is tempting, but I doubt you'd get minty tubes then. Personally I'd rather enjoy that minty Toshiba for now, and keep looking for a perfect high-end PJ.
Link Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:54 am Post subject:
stuffandpuff wrote:
???? Huh? You can apply this reasoning to any PJ or for that matter any car, house, motorcycle and on and on and on.
Yeah, but like all those other things, the first 90% or so of the process is relatively cheap and easy. After that, it starts getting REALLY expensive/difficult/time consuming, etc. Same with HT.
stuffandpuff wrote:
How about this, Buy the projector for $2000, buy a blurry player for $400 buy a HDfury, set it up yourself and enjoy an image better than most on the planet.
Really? An image better than most on the planet - set up by a noobie and without any calibration? I don't think so. I can guarantee you I can make my G70 look FAR superior to a newbie trying to set up a G90. I'd bet money on it.
Also, how can you even say that without any knowledge of whether the projector has uneven wear, bad wear, or some other issue? How do you know? He could also be spending $2000 on a G90 with a worn green tube that will cost another $2000 to replace. Is the OP in a position to do that? I don't know and neither do you. The point of my post was simply proceed with caution and be aware of the issues. No where did I say "Don't do it."
stuffandpuff wrote:
Getting the "full benefit" out of any projector is a non ending process, and is dependent on advances in technology. You'll never get the full benefit because you are chasing a dream. There is always something better, sharper cleaner.
Again, I disagree. I never said "Don't get a G90 unless you can also do this, this and this. With a given projector, it's NOT a non-ending process. You get 90% of the way there with calibration and a good HDMI card. The scaler will push you a little further, and mods could push you further. But, we're reaching a point here where with low-level gamma boost, Moome's latest IFB-HDMI, and excellent sources, there really isn't a lot left to do unless you're talking about that last 5%. So, in a way, there CAN be an end - relatively speaking. Can it always be improved? Of course. You can always buy a new Blu-ray player, a new scaler, a new this or that, but until you go to a whole new projector, there really isn't anywhere to go after you acquire a 9" machine like a G90, 9500 Ultra, or 909/Cine 9. That's it.
I do stand by my original point that it would be bordering on stupid to buy a top-notch machine like a G90 and not have it professionally calibrated. That would be like getting a good deal on a used Ferrari and not bothering to have it checked over by a professional or have the front end alignment checked. In fact, you might even want to consider taking a performance driving class if you had no performance driving experience before you try to drive the Ferrari hard. You might also want to get to know a little about Ferraris BEFORE you tried to pick one up "on the cheap" - exactly as this poster is potentially doing with a G90. Consider that this poster just in the last month or two FIRST got his hands on a CRT projector.
$2000 for a G90 could be a steal, but it could also be just an OK deal. Yes, if it was fried or had an issue, it could like be parted out for what he could acquire it for. But again, this poster JUST got his feet wet with CRT literally a few weeks ago. Should he jump up to a G90 right now? Maybe. Maybe not. That's all I'm saying.
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Link Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:19 am Post subject:
ecrabb wrote:
I do stand by my original point that it would be bordering on stupid to buy a top-notch machine like a G90 and not have it professionally calibrated. That would be like getting a good deal on a used Ferrari and not bothering to have it checked over by a professional or have the front end alignment checked. In fact, you might even want to consider taking a performance driving class if you had no performance driving experience before you try to drive the Ferrari hard. You might also want to get to know a little about Ferraris BEFORE you tried to pick one up "on the cheap" - exactly as this poster is potentially doing with a G90. Consider that this poster just in the last month or two FIRST got his hands on a CRT projector.
People do that all the time. They buy the "best" they can afford and then set it up like crap just so that they can say they 'have the best'. They would have been better off spending half the amount and the other half on getting it properly set up.
The ironic part is that they're happy, and everyone that sees the setup doesn't know any better either so they're happy too. (Not to say the original poster doesn't know how to set up a projector, just going by experience of what people want/know).
I see it all the time with other HT equipment like speakers, etc. People spending huge money on speakers but zero money on room treatment when it's really needed.
SC also has a good point about the scaler. You *will* need a scaler if you want to watch regular HDTV (1080i) on it as you'll want to scale to 1080p, otherwise the scanlines will be too objectionable. If you *don't* see the scanlines at 1080i then it's not set up properly.
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