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Mark_A_W
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So...who owns a Tivo or a D-VHS player?
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perisoft
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| ecrabb wrote: | | perisoft wrote: | | Oh, look! Another sanctimonious blowhard who has no idea what he's talking about! |
Oh, look! Another self-righteous |
...well... maybe a little...
| Quote: | "fair-use" zealot that apparently can't tell the difference between actual fair-use borrowing/lending, rental per a rental license and outright piracy/copyright infringement!
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Time shift rentals... Oh, man - that's a good one.
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Basically, what GaryFritz said. It gets incredibly complicated if you try to split hairs about rental timeshifting.
If I rent 20 movies from Hollywood Video at once, and stick them on my hard drive, and then watch them one at a time for the next month, who's getting ripped off? I paid for each rental. The movie companies got paid by Hollywood Video. So where's the moral equivalence between that and downloading a movie from teh internets?
Sure, it might violate the rental license. Yay, you win on a technicality. But if I'm Hollywood Video, MGM, the star of the movie, or the key grip, what do I care? My product was purchased and enjoyed. What's the problem?
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perisoft
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| Link Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | | So...who owns a Tivo or a D-VHS player? |
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jask
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Great posts Chris! I have not tried My movies but will give it a look some time this week. Now I just need to watch Ebay for an external array!! or better yet Sony could release a HD carousel DVD system.
EDIT** oops! I guess I should have noticed/read the next two pages of the thread.......dohhhh
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Brian Hampton
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Wow, that's pretty cool - I hadn't seen it before. Leave it to Sony though to make a big box with a $400 DVD changer, a $400 BD player, and only the media playback portion of a $400 PS3, and then sell it for nearly 3x the individual pieces. $3400. Please.
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Brian Hampton
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Hmmmm....
I have a DVD changer and a PS3....
I wonder if I can rig something like this up....
Well,... doesn't matter enough to me. I don't mind putting in discs and putting them away, I usually only watch one thing each time.
-Brian
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Brian Hampton
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You know,
I read on BluRay dot com about someone who bought this and then one day after having it for weeks, Sony called and said they were sending over some technicians if the person didn't mind and they wanted to verify it was setup well and make recommendations about it's use and also ask about how much he liked it and things like that.
I didn't read follow up posts after he had them come over (he agreed to the visit.) But,.. Sounded kind of funny.
-Brian
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Gino
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I plan to get something like the Axonix MediaDeck 4 HDT next year if they release a profile 2 version capable of bitstreaming HD audio over HDMI.
See Brochure
See some info they linked in regards to copyright compliance here
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perisoft
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The equivalent HDD storage as that Bluray switcher provides in hardware is around 10tb - which comes out to about $1200 bucks at today's prices. Not sure what you'd need in the way of a mobo / case to run ten drives, but 5 would be easy, and at $1000 for an HTPC to play the discs and ~$500 for another one to hold five more drives. you've got $2700 - and you can upgrade it easily.
Granted, it would probably take more time to set up, but the end result is vastly cleaner and provides a built-in scaler/gamma/media organizer/audio processor/etc. etc. etc. If your down-time at home is worth more than 40 bucks an hour to you, and you hate working on electronics yourself, then it's a bad idea.
But if you don't want to spend time tuning on electronics, what in god's name are you doing in this forum to begin with? 
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emdawgz1
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| Gino wrote: | I plan to get something like the Axonix MediaDeck 4 HDT next year if they release a profile 2 version capable of bitstreaming HD audio over HDMI.
See Brochure
See some info they linked in regards to copyright compliance here |
So i'm reading that this thing will rip and store Bluray media on its harddrive?
NICE.
But DAMN!!!
$8295.00 for a one room 500 GB unit.
$2495.00 per add'l room 
I gotta finish law school.... 
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perisoft
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Eight grand for a $1000 PC with an (undoubtedly) open source media center on it? Good work if you can get it... christ, what a bunch of losers. Sometimes I wonder why I'm in an honest business...
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garyfritz
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| perisoft wrote: | | The equivalent HDD storage as that Bluray switcher provides in hardware is around 10tb - which comes out to about $1200 bucks at today's prices. Not sure what you'd need in the way of a mobo / case to run ten drives, but 5 would be easy, and at $1000 for an HTPC to play the discs and ~$500 for another one to hold five more drives. you've got $2700 - and you can upgrade it easily. |
Don't forget you'd need about a 2tb boost for the parity disks, and a RAID 6 controller (which is what they use in that product) to run it. That's going to boost your cost by at least another $1k, probably more. Not to mention all the HW and SW development work (even if they leveraged an open-source media server), etc. You know what it takes to make a profit on a product -- I find it fairly surprising they sell it as cheaply as they do.
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perisoft
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| garyfritz wrote: | | perisoft wrote: | | The equivalent HDD storage as that Bluray switcher provides in hardware is around 10tb - which comes out to about $1200 bucks at today's prices. Not sure what you'd need in the way of a mobo / case to run ten drives, but 5 would be easy, and at $1000 for an HTPC to play the discs and ~$500 for another one to hold five more drives. you've got $2700 - and you can upgrade it easily. |
Don't forget you'd need about a 2tb boost for the parity disks, and a RAID 6 controller (which is what they use in that product) to run it. That's going to boost your cost by at least another $1k, probably more. Not to mention all the HW and SW development work (even if they leveraged an open-source media server), etc. You know what it takes to make a profit on a product -- I find it fairly surprising they sell it as cheaply as they do. |
True, but it's *not* a 12tb media system with parity disks, a raid 6 controller, and software. It's a CD switcher mechanism and a PS3. 
Yeah, it -is- hard to make a profit on a product, and there's a big difference between rolling your own and producing/marketing/supporting a mass market product. But while there may indeed be a valid reason for those components and that software costing that much, it doesn't mean that the product is the best way to get the job done, or a good value compared to more innovative ways of solving the same problem.
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garyfritz
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No, I wasn't talking about the Sony jukebox. That's "only" about $3400. The Axonix systems that Gino linked to do include some 10-15tb systems with RAID6, and I assumed that was the $8200 toy. But it looks like the $8200 one is only a 500GB server (!?) and a player. Now that IS a rip.
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perisoft
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| garyfritz wrote: | | ...$8200 ...500GB server (!?)... |
Maybe they think it's 1998?
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Gino
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You guys never heard of Kaleidescape or AMX? These things only do SD DVD at the moment, and you would be looking at $25K and up
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perisoft
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| Gino wrote: | | You guys never heard of Kaleidescape or AMX? These things only do SD DVD at the moment, and you would be looking at $25K and up |
Maybe they think it's 1988?
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Elaine Benes
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Is there any way this thread can get back to the actual topic and just everyone who is NOT interested in making BD iso's playable just not post ??
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perisoft
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| Elaine Benes wrote: | | Is there any way this thread can get back to the actual topic and just everyone who is NOT interested in making BD iso's playable just not post ?? |
...ok, that's it. Honest.
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