"HDFury has me smiling from ear to ear!! I'm going to be stupidly happy all week and likely beyond. My video chain is PS3 to HDFury via HDMI/DVI and then into a Sony G70 with a short cable. When I plugged it in and turned it on the PS3 determined I had HDMI and setup 1080p automatically with a 3min setup I was completely impressed. I've heard about problems with HDMI but I guess I'll never get to experience them because this setup is perfect right out of the gate. I can already say I'm 100% satisfied and my expectations were high to the point of silliness. I would recommend this product to anyone with CRT FP and/or anyone with a PS3. Trouble-Free HDMI to VGA: The HDFury works just as it should. I have no HDMI problems whatsoever. Even with my 26AWG, 25Foot, $20 HDMI/DVI cable (If I had to buy it again I would have opted for the $30 thicker cable just for peace of mind) I never see any of the problems I've read about others having with HDMI. I see no need to buy the power cable to provide additional current to the HDFury. Value: The cost is terrific for the quality of the product. And it's universal nature is a great feature for a CRT front projector enthusiast because if you change or upgrade your projector you still have a HDCP solution ready to go. Image Quality: The image quality is great. I don't have any other HDMI to VGA solutions to compare it too because this was the first one I felt I could afford and yet I think it's going to rate well against the competition simply because the image quality it produces looks top notch to me." - Brian Hampton
"Got my 'Green Edition' yesterday afternoon (Jul 13, 2007), direct-shipping from Taiwan. Curious as I am I had to try out how it's working. And what can I say, that's what I really call plug and play. Linked the thing with the 5-BNC-input of my DLP-projector, connected it with a HDMI-to-DVI-cable (5m long) to my upscaling DVD-Recorder and, voila, it worked great! No hassle with H-sync or V-sync, no displaced picture, no problems at all! The picture quality is absolutely perfect, sharp, nothing to complain about! A really great product, THANK YOU guys!" - ottokar1
"My second test with the HDfury with a Barco D-cinema DP100 went smooth. No glitch the HDfury just work. Source used was a PS3 with firmware version 1.75 so it's 1080P60. A brandless 1.5m hdmi to dvi cable was used. The HDfury unit connected direct to the UXGA input of the ACSAR2 unit of the DP100. The projector immediately without fuss load the correct file and image comes up on the 13m wide screen." - Ciputra (Note: This HDfury is being used in this commercial movie theater!)
"I ordered the red version on Sunday evening and we received it Wednesday at around 2 PM. Fastest shipping I've ever seen from any vendor outside of Canada, let alone from Taiwan. Remarkable. I must say that the quality of the red cable-adapter itself is first rate. When I took it out of its compartment, I was very impressed with it. Since we received the Fury yesterday, we've probably watched a good 8 hours of various HD channels. Some of the "Rick Steves' Europe" shows have absolutely stunning picture quality, and today we watched a show (whose name I cannot now remember) about jungle bugs. It also had superb color and image quality. These are the sharpest images ever projected from our NEC on our screen. Today we sat just under 80" from a 92" diagonal image and it still looked excellent - sharp and free of any artifacts. We took our first mini-vacation today! So far, the HDFury has been a great purchase for me and my wife. I hope it gives us years of service." - Herve
"Got my HDfury a couple of week ago as I figured I should be trying one of these things out myself and see what all the fuss was about. I had heard that using the HDfury produced a better image quality than using component out on source devices such as HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players (not to mention that you can now upscale standard DVD's too), but I really wasn't ready for how much better the HDfury made my Blu-Ray movies look! I expected a subtle increase, but was shocked when I was presented with a substantial increase in image quality. I was pessimistic as Blu-Ray discs from my PS3 component output already looked fantastic on my setup so I really didn't understand how things could look better. I was already using what's considered the best component to RGB transcoder out there (the RTC-2200) as follows: PS3 component out -> RTC-2200 component to RGB transcoder -> 25' RGBHV cable -> Barco Cine8 Onyx projector. Man, was I wrong! Going digital and bypassing what's likely average quality DACs and op-amps in the PS3 made ALL the difference! The first things I noticed right away was the better dynamic range even just in the PS3 menus: The whites were just a lot tighter/purer/punchier/brighter, the contrast range is better, the colours richer, and the image is actually considerably (not just a little bit) sharper! The difference isn't subtle: I switched back and forth between the two and it's like a gray haze was removed when using the HDfury over the HDMI output vs. the component output. Over component the image lacked punch, wasn't as sharp and was somewhat muted. Using the HDfury also resulted in better small object detail. The smallest details and variances in image detail are now perfectly resolved. I didn't know what I was missing. I did try 1080p on my projector quite a bit and 1080p is 100% resolved now. No problems at all. 1080p looked fantastic. I had zero problems using the HDfury. Just plugged it in and that's it. Didn't even have to do any image shifting on the projector! I should have gotten Franck (of HKmod) to send me one of these sooner. Thanks Franck! Excellent work Jean! The engineering behind this thing is fantastic! Now I see what all the fuss is about!" - Kal (site webmaster)
"All I can say is....wow! To everything! I ordered the basic HDFury on 9/25 and it arrived here in beautiful New Hampshire on 9/28. SPEEDY! I seriously thought it wouldn't be here until next Monday or Tuesday. Now, my system is not the best. I'm using an Epson Powerlite Home 20, which maxes out at 1080i. I'm running the HDFury through a Phillips 6 foot HDMI/DVI cable hooked to a $49 Phillips upscaling dvd player and the results are FANTASTIC!!! I hooked the HDFury up to the VGA input on the projector, instant steady bright blue light, selected 1080i on the player, and I couldn't be happier! Screen door effect? Yeah, somewhat, but again, I'm projecting old school LCD projector at a bit over 110". It's still a noticeable improvement over what I was viewing at 525p. I thought that I might need the power boost from the 5v adapter, but the results I'm getting with just the 'Fury are fine by me!!! Money, unfortunately, is a concern here, however with the HDFury, I'm looking at a crisp image on a budget projector and all is right in the world Great product! Thanks again!!!" - TJ101
"I got my HDFury yesterday and hooked it up...AND IT'S AMAZING! I'm so happy with this product I don't even know what to say. The picture quality is SO much better than what I had before. I hope anybody that sees this that bought a Protron (37" LCD) looks seriously at this product. It is the best I could ask for!" - Templar99
"I have successfully connected my PS3 Console to my old 32" Plasma TV set through "HDFury". In fact, the installation is very simple. Just plug and play and no configuration required. Also, the output picture quality is very satisfactory even though my Plasma TV only support 720p (1280 x 720) picture quality. I can now enjoy HD digital signals on my old analog-based Plasma TV set. Thank you so much for answering & providing me all previous technical questions. The ordering process and delivery service are very excellent and fast. Really a good service. Thanks." - Eric
Link Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject:
Too soon for a full review, but first impressions mainly using a ps3 with hd projector and playstation 3 are very positive. I see no difference in quality going from hdmi to vga using the hdfury. Will report more later.
I am also using a high quality vga splitter (I know this is not advisable) box to display the ps3 on the projector and lcd monitor at the same time and it looks great!
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4853 Location: Flower Mound, TX
Link Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:10 am Post subject:
Well, I may get around to serious testing and running on for paragraphs. But bottom line, it is excellent. It does what it should and does it exceptionally well. I mated with Kim's tcoder is great. Both Corpse Bride and Riddick HD DVDs were so crisp on my system, no one would ever doubt CRT sharpness if you saw my setup!
Thanks Jean, great work. Excellent product Franck and thanks for the incredible customer service. _________________ Dave
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station....
Link Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:15 am Post subject:
Another brief review here...
It works as promised and hasn't added anything to the picture that is not supposed to be there so far. I have a far from optimal setup and it has improved the picture slightly than the previous DVIlink unit I had in the mix before. Will post more once I have had it in place for a while.
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4853 Location: Flower Mound, TX
Link Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject:
redcorvette_85 wrote:
Anyone compared one of these to a momme card? I am trying to decide if I should order one of these or wait for the momme external. I am actually surprised there hasn't been a long review on one of these, normally someone puts these new products through a thorough test and comparison.
We (Dallas guys -- at a minimum Phil and I) will be comparing this to moome's internal with gamma and John's Sony DVI card on a G70.
We will use the HD Fury both through a kimcoder and attached to the PJ via the cables shipped with the green addition. However, this testing will not likely occur for a month or so because:
1) The "green" addition cable is not ready yet.
2) Phil's moome card has the non-adjustable gamma which causes banding issues on much content--that needs to be fixed.
3) Phil's IFB-DVI requires an updated EDID chip.
So, I'm guessing maybe mid-July before we really put it through its paces.
Now, if you want a seat of the pants guesstimate on the outcome, here is what I can tell you. We did the tests above usign 1080i content on a G70 running at 1080i, but with an Ophit going through the Kimcoder to a cheap VGA->5BNC 12' breakout cable instead of the HDFury. This is what we found:
1) John's IFB-DVI and Moome's HDMI where equal in sharpness and most respects.
2) John's had a weird problem on the HD DVD Aeon Flux (no other content showed this issue).
3) Moome's had banding on alot of content because the gamma was too aggressive (my pointing this out has led moome to add adjustable gamma so the issue should be resolved in the future).
4) The Ophit/kimcoder combo was the best overall picture due to adjustable gamma but was a hair less sharp than the other two (really need to A/B to see).
5) The HDFury through the Kimcoder in my chain is a hair sharper than the Ophit in my chain.
So, I'm guessing the Fury is just as good as the two internals on most PJs. Perhaps a G90 at 1080p/60 would show a difference between the Fury and the internals, but I'm betting at 720p and 1080i (and maybe 1080p) there is little to no difference. _________________ Dave
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station....
Link Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject:
HDFury has me smiling from ear to ear!! I'm going to be stupidly happy all week and likely beyond.
My video chain is PS3 to HDFury via HDMI/DVI and then into the G70 with a short cable. When I plugged it in and turned it on the PS3 determined I had HDMI and setup 1080p automatically with a 3min setup I was completely impressed. I've heard about problems with HDMI but I guess I'll never get to experience them becuase this setup is perfect right out of the gate.
I can already say I'm 100% satisfied and my expectations were high to the point of sillyness.
I would recommend this product to anyone with CRT FP and/or anyone with a PS3.
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:37 am Post subject:
I don't want to debate the resolving power of the G70 in this HDFury review thread ( I may jump into one of these threads in the main forum later ) but here's some screenshots just to show 1080p is an option.
I may replace these after I setup the pj for this res. I only did a few minutes setup at this point because I was too eager to start watching movies right away.
-Brian
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject:
Well,
If I'm going to serve the purpose of this thread then I should offer a review of the HDFury.
Here's my impression...
Trouble - Free HDMI to VGA -The HDFury works just as it should. I have no HDMI problems whatsoever. Even with my 26AWG, 25Foot, $20 HDMI/DVI cable (If I had to buy it again I would have opted for the $30 thicker cable just for peace of mind) I never see any of the problems I've read about others having with HDMI. I see no need to buy the power cable to provide additional current to the HdFury.
Value -The cost is terrific for the quality of the product. And it's universal nature is a great feature for a CRT FP enthusiast because if you change or upgrade your pj you still have a HDCP solution ready to go.
Image Quality - The image quality is great. I don't have any other HDMI to VGA solutions to compare it too because this was the first one I felt I could afford and yet I think it's going to rate well against the competition simply because the image quality it produces looks top notch to me.
-Brian[/b]
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Link Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject:
Ok, here's my review, sry no pics, due to censorship.
2:00 pm, I wake up, groggy as hell, why I don't know because I didn't drink that much after all, I think.
About 2:20 pm, my wife informs me I've got a package from some funny dude at the door. Like the door would be something that holds back all the trolls and sh-t from the rest of the world. (OMG, there's a creppy f-cker outside, should we open?) Ok, maybe we're not the most social peeps in the world, but WTF?
3:00 pm. I'm feeling as fresh as I can feel, all thing considering. Looking att this DHL box, knoing I forgot something rather important.
5:00 pm. Shish kebab, I need HDMI cables!
7:00 pm. Dinner: pizza and wine.
Violins playing: wifey watched telly and a movie.
Me, oh, I've made a plan of attack, and then I attacked.
I should have figured this golden shiny toy was protected like nuclear waste.
A lot of nnngh, and aaarrrgh, and f-ck I'm bleeding. Grrr, stomping around like a smurf who just figured out he shat himself.
Like the boy I am, there's no protection for the toy I want. Of course I could've used a tool or two.
Snipp, snapp. Wow look at that! (not night and day difference, but wow.)
Works like a charm, thanks. _________________ Trying to get everything to work.
Link Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Got the green one yeterday, works great!
Hi to everybody!
Got my "Green Edition" yesterday afternoon, direct-shipping from Taiwan.
Curious as I am I had to try out how itīs working.
And what can I say, thatīs what I really call plug and play.
Linked the thing with the 5-BNC-input of my DLP-projector, connected it with a HDMI2DVI-cable (5m long) to my upscaling DVD-Recorder and, voila, it worked great!
No hassel with H-sync or V-sync, no deplaced picture, no problems at all!
The picturequality is absolutely perfect, sharp, nothing to complain about!
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 10095 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: Zenith Pro 1200x (aka Barco Cine 8 Onyx)
Link Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject:
Here's another review from Mike Parker (of MPmods.com) that was posted in a different thread:
mp20748 wrote:
I have a (borrowed) HDfury connected right at the Marquees BNC's on the second input slot. From the Fury there is about a 8 to 15' HDMI to DVI cable that is connected to a Sony BluRay player.
I think I've read somewhere that the Fury has the same chips as John's previous DVI converter. I also have (also borrowed for testing) one of previous DVI to port 3 converters.
I'm not able to really test the HDfury, because I only have the Bluray player and a few BluRay DVD's. I don't have anything 1080P BluRay in test patterns, so that would prevent me from reporting something more concrete. But from what I've been watching and observing with the Fury and BluRay player so far, the HDFury is a HUGE difference from the previous DVI units. Not sure how it could have the same chip and have that much of a difference in performance.
From everything that I could throw through it using the BluRay DVD's that I have, it's flawless. Clean and very tight. Unlike the other DVI units, it's not showing the common color space issues that I've seen on them all. Nor does it have pedestal problems, which is also a common problem on these devices. The most impressive improvement over the other units, was the linear IRE range. I'm not seeing the usual crushing issue at one end or the other. Without the proper test for this, from close observation using several Bluray DVD's. It's flawless.
At times I wonder about the flesh tones, but that's something i'm not sure of at the time. because what I've noticed on one or the other BluRay DVD's. It's not a problem at all overall. So it has done something that I was not expecting from this device. Something I was only expecting from a newer chip version. Or another device all together.
I'm not a fan of the DVI units. Until yesterday, I've not seen one worth connecting to my projector. Now I'm a complete convert...
Link Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:45 am Post subject:
Hi all,
My second test with the hdfury with a D-cinema barco DP100 went smooth. No glitch the hdfury just work. Source used was a PS3 with firmware version 1.75 so it's 1080P60. A brandless 1.5m hdmi to dvi cable was used. The hdfury unit connected direct to the UXGA input of the ACSAR2 unit of the DP100. The projector immediately without fuss load the correct file and image comes up on the 13m wide screen. Unfortunately due to limited time constraint we cut short the test and plus the fact i only have "Goodfellas" bluray disc. But no glitches nor deffects were spotted
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 10095 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: Zenith Pro 1200x (aka Barco Cine 8 Onyx)
Link Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject:
13M wide screen? Whoa! This has to be the biggest screen ever used with an HDfury!
I had to look up this Barco D-Cine DP100 you are using. It's a 2K projector (2048x1080), 22,000 lumens, 452 pounds, 5 feet high, and can be used on screens up to 25 meters wide!
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 10095 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: Zenith Pro 1200x (aka Barco Cine 8 Onyx)
Link Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject:
A $200K+ USD projector being run off a $500 Playstation 3 and a $149 HDfury. Incredible.
Here's another review of the HDfury posted on a different forum:
Herve wrote:
I ordered the red version on Sunday evening and we received it Wednesday at around 2 PM. Fastest shipping I've ever seen from any vendor outside of Canada, let alone from Taiwan. Remarkable.
I must say that the quality of the red cable-adapter itself is first rate. When I took it out of its comaprtment, I was very impressed with it.
I connected the DVI cable to the Starchoice receiver, then to the Fury, then the cable/adapter, then connected the cable/adapter to the DB9 F/F gender changer which I had already installed on input 1 or our Extron 202xi. Even though I had turned the receiver off, as soon as I plugged the DVI cable into the Fury, its blue light came on.
After everything was connected, I turned on the receiver, set it to 720p output, turned on the Extron, and then the NEC 9PG+ CRT front projector.
The image popped right up on the screen and it was slightly to the left. I adjusted the "centering" control on the Extron to move the image back to the right. Simple.
Then, to remove the numerous horizontal lines that I saw dragging off to the right from light objects in the image, I turned the Extron's "level" control down a bit and the lines completely disappeared.
Now to the image. The Extron 202xi apparently loves the input from the Fury because, 1280x720@60Hz HD looks very very good on this system - even over a 100-foot, very-heavy-gauge 5 BNC cable.
Since we received the Fury yesterday, we've probably watched a good 8 hours of various HD channels. Some of the "Rick Steves' Europe" shows have absolutely stunning picture quality, and today we watched a show (whose name I cannot now remember) about jungle bugs. It also had superb color and image quality.
These are the sharpest images every projected from our NEC on our screen. Today we sat just under 80" from a 92" diagonal image and it still looked excellent - sharp and free of any atifacts. We took our first mini-vacation today!
Tomorrow I'll be reporting the same to my Extron contact and asking him if it's OK to feed a 1920x1080i @60Hz signal to the 202xi. If he says it's OK, I'll be setting up that input on the NEC. It'll be interesting to see if it looks noticeably better than the 720p signal. Frankly, I don't see how it could be much better than it is right now, but I'm more than willing to be wrong on this one.
So far, the HDFury has been a great purchase for me and my wife. I hope it gives us years of service.
Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 1510 Location: Taiwan / France
Link Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject:
ciputra wrote:
Source used was a PS3 with firmware version 1.75
Hi !
I would recommend you to update your PS3 to firmware 1.81 at least, you will have a much better contract (RGB encoding over full range 0-255 on ps3 only since fw 1.81)
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 10095 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: Zenith Pro 1200x (aka Barco Cine 8 Onyx)
Link Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject:
Franck: Actually, Sony broke the blacker than black/whiter than white (BTB/WTW) output of the PS3 in the latest version for some odd reason. It no longer passes BTB/WTW with firmware verson 1.82.
Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 1510 Location: Taiwan / France
Link Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject:
kal wrote:
Franck: Actually, Sony broke the blacker than black/whiter than white (BTB/WTW) output of the PS3 in the latest version for some odd reason. It no longer passes BTB/WTW with firmware verson 1.82.
Kal
Oh ok thanx; i did not know about it, i'm still running 1.81 on mine
i guess it's matter of time until they add it "for life" _________________ HDFury3 - Tomorrow's Hardware Today ! - HDF3 User Manual HDFury2 - HDF2 User Manual HDFury1 - TV coverage (by Tekzilla)
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Link Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:40 am Post subject:
HKmod wrote:
ciputra wrote:
Source used was a PS3 with firmware version 1.75
Hi !
I would recommend you to update your PS3 to firmware 1.81 at least, you will have a much better contract (RGB encoding over full range 0-255 on ps3 only since fw 1.81)
You should visually see the difference immediately with such a projector.
Hi franck, yep will do that later on. That's why the image projected has a slight hazy looks to it. I have to set the gamma of the DP100 to 2.8 but still doesn't seem too right
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 10095 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: Zenith Pro 1200x (aka Barco Cine 8 Onyx)
Link Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:01 am Post subject:
Hi everyone!
Got my HDfury a couple of week ago as I figured I should be trying one of these things out myself and see what all the fuss was about.
I had heard that using the HDfury produced a better image quality than using component out on source devices such as HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players (not to mention that you can now upscale standard DVD's too), but I really wasn't ready for how much better the HDfury made my Blu-Ray movies look! I expected a subtle increase, but was shocked when I was presented with a substantial increase in image quality.
I was pessimistic as BluRay discs from my PS3 component output already looked fantastic on my setup so I really didn't understand how things could look better. I was already using what's considered the best component to RGB transcoder out there (the RTC-2200) as follows:
PS3 component out -> RTC-2200 component to RGB transcoder -> 25' RGBHV cable -> Barco Cine8 Onyx projector
Man, was I wrong! Going digital and bypassing what's likely average quality DACs and op-amps in the PS3 made ALL the difference! The first things I noticed right away was the better dynamic range even just in the PS3 menus: The whites were just a lot tigher/purer/punchier/brigher, the contrast range is better, the colours richer, and the image is actually considerably (not just a little bit) sharper! The difference isn't subtle: I switched back and forth between the two and it's like a gray haze was removed when using the HDfury over the HDMI output vs. the component output. Over component the image lacked punch, wasn't as sharp and was somewhat muted.
Using the HDfury also resulted in better small object detail. The smallest details and variances in image detail are now perfectly resolved. I didn't know what I was missing.
I've got my HDfury hooked up as follows:
PS3 -> 6' HDMI-to-DVI cable -> HDfury -> VGA passthru port on the RTC-2200 transcoder (for a little gamma boost) -> 25' RGBHV cable -> Barco Cine 8 Onyx projector
PS3 is set to RGB output (full) for 0-255 range.
The only problem with the extra sharpness is that scan lines are even more obvious now at 1080i/60. I will have to optimize the spot shape for 1080i/60 or consider going to 1080p since I also do 720p content at times. I did try 1080p on my projector quite a bit and it's 100% resolved now. No problems at all. 1080p looked fantastic.
I had zero problems using the HDfury. Just plugged it in and that's it. Didn't even have to do any image shifting on the projector!
I should have gotten Franck (of HKmod) to send me one of these sooner. Thanks Franck! Excellent work Jean! The engineering behind this thing is fantastic! Now I see what all the fuss is about!
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