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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 17860 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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What Curt meant was that it could be one or more of the boards mentioned.
If the unit was in continuously in use when the issue happened it would likely be one board as failures across multiple boards at the same time would be rare. Given that the unit sat for a long time unused (years?) there's a higher probability that it could be multiple boards as parts like electrolytic caps dry out/stop working/etc.
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lolkalberer
Joined: 19 Dec 2021 Posts: 19
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Link Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Curt Palme wrote: | At this point you have to do board swaps, as this is a problem I've never seen before. I will have some of the boards if you need them, but I am almost out of 808s parts. |
wait, would you send the boards to me or would i send them to you for testing?
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24305 Location: Langley, BC
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:01 am Post subject: |
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I no longer have an 808 here to test boards in. I do have some boards left that worked when I put them on the shelf. Where are you located?
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 2857 Location: Australia
TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Are you able to be a little more precise as to where the squealing is coming from? Barco quads and or splitters will squeal before they fail. The squealing in this case is high voltage going to ground. If it is this then locate the quadrupler which is at the back of the unit. Use this link to find that http://www.curtpalme.com/Barco808_Layout1.shtm
The splitter is between the green and blue tubes inside the set. You will see a number of large HV red cables running into that.
When its squealing see if you can determine if its coming from one or both of those.
DON'T TOUCH either of them though as they are responsible for 34KV.
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lolkalberer
Joined: 19 Dec 2021 Posts: 19
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:28 am Post subject: |
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km987654 wrote: | Are you able to be a little more precise as to where the squealing is coming from? Barco quads and or splitters will squeal before they fail. The squealing in this case is high voltage going to ground. If it is this then locate the quadrupler which is at the back of the unit. Use this link to find that http://www.curtpalme.com/Barco808_Layout1.shtm
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I checked and the sound is coming from the switch mode power supply which i presume is normal. The thing is it just that is sounds weird. It kinda sounds like a crt tv receiving an unstable video signal.
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lolkalberer
Joined: 19 Dec 2021 Posts: 19
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Curt Palme wrote: | I no longer have an 808 here to test boards in. I do have some boards left that worked when I put them on the shelf. Where are you located? |
im in switzerland. it would be really awsome you could send those over! though shipping stuff here can be a pain.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24305 Location: Langley, BC
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I can, can you send me an email to curt at reeltoreeltech dot com with your address? I also need to know if it's a BD808s or a BG808s. I'll put together what parts I have left, although with a few boards, shipping likely will be $150USD or so.
Thanks!
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 2857 Location: Australia
TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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Link Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:25 am Post subject: |
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lolkalberer wrote: | km987654 wrote: | Are you able to be a little more precise as to where the squealing is coming from? Barco quads and or splitters will squeal before they fail. The squealing in this case is high voltage going to ground. If it is this then locate the quadrupler which is at the back of the unit. Use this link to find that http://www.curtpalme.com/Barco808_Layout1.shtm
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I checked and the sound is coming from the switch mode power supply which i presume is normal. The thing is it just that is sounds weird. It kinda sounds like a crt tv receiving an unstable video signal. |
There should not be any sound coming from the SMPS. At least I have not ever heard any sound from a properly working SMPS. I would say you need to take a closer look at that. Check the caps they can squeal. There are loads of them on this board.
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lolkalberer
Joined: 19 Dec 2021 Posts: 19
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Link Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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i checked the smp board but i don’t see anything obvious. isn’t it normal for CRT projectors to sound like a CRT television?
Photo of board: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBWXQXxUKf5rnRGMA?e=edSbTV
however, i checked the front part of the Projector and there i saw this: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBR4vfN2OgIU72T7g?e=f2v7Zg
could this be causing any problems?
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 2857 Location: Australia
TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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Link Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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lolkalberer wrote: | i checked the smp board but i don’t see anything obvious. isn’t it normal for CRT projectors to sound like a CRT television?
Photo of board: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBWXQXxUKf5rnRGMA?e=edSbTV
however, i checked the front part of the Projector and there i saw this: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBR4vfN2OgIU72T7g?e=f2v7Zg
could this be causing any problems? |
You can get some HV crackle on start but that's about it.
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lolkalberer
Joined: 19 Dec 2021 Posts: 19
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Link Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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I looked at everything again with a friend and he noticed that on the Sync+Vertical Deflection Module there are these weird wirings.
Picture: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBd4JqSbyZHyLj3Gg?e=VoEWDs
They don’t match up with the service manual, so I guess the previous owner did something here?
We will try to rewire it back to normal according to the service manual.
Another thing is on the back there’s this led which isn’t connected to anything
Picture: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBfr4EAM3RzIdPEjQ?e=KPBDv9
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24305 Location: Langley, BC
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Link Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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That LED is not stock, so ignore it. The big problem you have now is that the set has been modified to a point that you don't know what is going on.
If someone had brought me that 808s a few years ago when I was still doing CRT projectors, I likely would have turned it down simply due to the fact that it was modified. Since you haven't seen the projector running, you don't know if the modder caused the set to be defective, or whether the set simply failed on its own.
At this point though, I wouldn't un-mod anything, as you may end up causing more problems, making the set impossible to diagnose.
I'll check into what spare 808s boards I have today or tomorrow, and will let you know.
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lolkalberer
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Link Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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ok i will leave it allone. thanks for helping out!
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 2857 Location: Australia
TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 3:52 am Post subject: |
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lolkalberer wrote: | i checked the smp board but i don’t see anything obvious. isn’t it normal for CRT projectors to sound like a CRT television?
Photo of board: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBWXQXxUKf5rnRGMA?e=edSbTV
however, i checked the front part of the Projector and there i saw this: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBR4vfN2OgIU72T7g?e=f2v7Zg
could this be causing any problems? |
What do you see as the issue here??
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBR4vfN2OgIU72T7g?e=f2v7Zg
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 2857 Location: Australia
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:03 am Post subject: |
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If you really want this to work as well as it could I would dump that vertical deflection board anyway in favour of R7628085
Here is an image from this site
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16437
You don't need the small daughter board.
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lolkalberer
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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km987654 wrote: | lolkalberer wrote: | i checked the smp board but i don’t see anything obvious. isn’t it normal for CRT projectors to sound like a CRT television?
Photo of board: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBWXQXxUKf5rnRGMA?e=edSbTV
however, i checked the front part of the Projector and there i saw this: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBR4vfN2OgIU72T7g?e=f2v7Zg
could this be causing any problems? |
What do you see as the issue here??
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBR4vfN2OgIU72T7g?e=f2v7Zg |
Well i just thought i looked weird due to the gunk on it and i wasn’t sure if that crack was supposed to be there, so i thought I’d just ask. But why are you bringing this up again? i asked, you said: km987654 wrote: | You can get some HV crackle on start but that's about it. | and the question was answered.
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 2857 Location: Australia
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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lolkalberer wrote: | km987654 wrote: | lolkalberer wrote: | i checked the smp board but i don’t see anything obvious. isn’t it normal for CRT projectors to sound like a CRT television?
Photo of board: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBWXQXxUKf5rnRGMA?e=edSbTV
however, i checked the front part of the Projector and there i saw this: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBR4vfN2OgIU72T7g?e=f2v7Zg
could this be causing any problems? |
What do you see as the issue here??
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBR4vfN2OgIU72T7g?e=f2v7Zg |
Well i just thought i looked weird due to the gunk on it and i wasn’t sure if that crack was supposed to be there, so i thought I’d just ask. But why are you bringing this up again? i asked, you said: km987654 wrote: | You can get some HV crackle on start but that's about it. | and the question was answered. |
I didn't look at your images before answering. When I did I wondered what you saw as a problem.
As far as the vertical deflection board is concerned I would change it. I have a few of the one you have and everyone has an issue. Age probably getting the better of those boards considering the amount of components.
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Boet
Joined: 10 Jan 2012 Posts: 30 Location: Netherlands
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Link Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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lolkalberer wrote: | I looked at everything again with a friend and he noticed that on the Sync+Vertical Deflection Module there are these weird wirings.
Picture: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AszjmP5e2jJigYBd4JqSbyZHyLj3Gg?e=VoEWDs
They don’t match up with the service manual, so I guess the previous owner did something here?
We will try to rewire it back to normal according to the service manual.
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Those are usually factory revisions of the circuit, without changing the circuit board.
So I wouldn't worry about those, they look like factory modifications.
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lolkalberer
Joined: 19 Dec 2021 Posts: 19
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Link Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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So, I finally received the replacement parts from Curt and tried it out… with the exact same results. I replaced the H shift board, the switch mode PSU and the G2 diagnostic board. So, I guess it must be the Vertical Board or the Horizontal board, but I have no clue where to get a replacement for that. If anybody knew where I could get one of those, I’d be very thankful. But until then I’ll have to put this project on hold.
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