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jbltecnicspro
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Link Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:43 pm Post subject: Is this crazy? |
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Right now I have a Yamaha DPX-1200. And while I'm happy with it, I was thinking about upgrading to a 1080p digital. If my new living situation will accommodate a black-out theater situation, I was actually thinking about picking up, of all things - a JVC-RS1.
I know that RS1's have been left in the dust by the newer models, but I figure that since they're cheap enough, it may be worth picking up. That and I haven't really seen any long term reliability issues with this particular model. It's also got a couple of features that I find desirable, like a manual lens shift and what not.
Since I know that the one weakness of the projector is that the color primaries are a bit over saturated for green and red, I was also thinking about picking up a cheaper used Lumagen that could help me reign in the color.
Does this sound sane, or is this a stupid proposition?
As much as I'd like to get a newer RS model, I would prefer the cheapest "decent" one I could get, as we would be living with quite a few small children and people, so I wouldn't feel as bad if something happened to it (as opposed to a nicer RS model).
What say you all? Completely nuts?
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dochlywd
Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 346 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri
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garyfritz
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12026 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Link Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Where did you find an RS46 for $500!? I just bought an RS45 (with spare bulb, 3D emitter, 2 pr glasses) for $850, and I thought THAT was a pretty good deal!
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dochlywd
Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 346 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri
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Link Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Some guy in Gilbert, Az. I found it on Craigslist and a guy I work with had a buddy who lived about 20 minutes from the seller. I was able to have him go by and inspect it along with making the deal. Searching for deals is something I do on a regular basis. I think I might have issues.....
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jbltecnicspro
Joined: 23 Apr 2016 Posts: 512
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Link Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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dochlywd wrote: | Some guy in Gilbert, Az. I found it on Craigslist and a guy I work with had a buddy who lived about 20 minutes from the seller. I was able to have him go by and inspect it along with making the deal. Searching for deals is something I do on a regular basis. I think I might have issues..... |
Maybe. What size screen are you running by the way?
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dochlywd
Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 346 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri
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Link Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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The Vutec Silverstar is 110"
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jbltecnicspro
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Link Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Ended up getting a Benq HT-2050. Long story short, we're going to be moving in with my in-laws due to some health issues. This projector will essentially be a "do-all" that will play video games, watch TV, movies, etc all while being able to effortlessly drive a 120-inch screen.
Wife and I have decided to go ahead and set aside money in our budget for the end of next year to purchase whatever the new entry-level JVC D-ILA projector is.
EDIT: This projector isn't obviously ideal but for the rest of the household it will be a hit, and for the time being that's more important than my desire for great visuals (I'm the only videophile in the household).
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 5643 Location: Comedy Central
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Link Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Call Mike Garrett or Craig Peer at AVScience for b-stock deals. You can usually get a good price on a b-stock vs a new JVC.
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jbltecnicspro
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Spanky. I will definitely do so when it comes time to make the purchase. I'm guessing that we will get whatever the RS-4xx model is.
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 5643 Location: Comedy Central
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Link Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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You can check to see what they have here.
https://discuss.avscience.com/?topic=12.15
I am a little shocked that they have 4910s still in stock. I would be curious to see the price on that.
I remember Mike telling me they can only sell JVC new in the US, but b stock IIRC can be sold anywhere in the world.
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jbltecnicspro
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Link Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Well, got the Benq and I'll just break it down like this:
The good:
+ Good color accuracy out of the box (in Cinema preset)
+ Full HD 1080p
+ Bright enough to drive a large screen effortlessly
The bad:
- Contrast
- Too bright
The ugly (which will make me probably return it)
- Slower color wheel than my Yamaha.
Supposedly it's a 6x speed wheel, but then you find that at 60hz the wheel rotates at 240hz, which suggests to me that it's indeed a 4x speed wheel. The 6x speed actually only comes into play at 50hz material, which I actually didn't realize. I'm not sure what speed my Yamaha operates at but it's got to be faster as I have to really try to see rainbows on that unit. Disappointing.
Edit: Talked it over with the wife and I think I'm definitely leaning on returning the projector.
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jbltecnicspro
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Link Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Alright - I returned the Benq. I think at the end of the day I'm just going to go ahead and keep the Yamaha DPX-1200 and keep using. Other than the fact that it's only 720p, it does everything that I need it to. And while it's no CRT, its contrast isn't bad at all (depending on which review you read, you'll see that there have been those who measured its contrast to be a bit above 4000:1 or 5000:1 - the best I read was around 5300:1), its colors are accurate, and its faster color wheel means its harder to spot rainbows.
I ended up returning the Benq because the rainbows started giving me headaches, for those who care.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2645 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Link Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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That Yamaha is a real nice machine, if the HDMI port had worked, I'd have kept it for myself.
The color wheel in the Yamaha is more akin to say a Christie or a Barco, than it would be to say a BenQ or an Optoma. It's a very high quality color wheel, and even repairable (which no consumer DLP PJ color wheels are these days.)
The yamaha is a very high end HT projector, not some basic consumer garbage like an Optoma or BenQ, which you could see for yourself when you picked the BenQ up. The signal processing, color wheel (which is a 3" diameter 5 segment wheel btw, most CW are 2" or smaller), all-glass lens, PSU, are all engineered to provide nothing but exceptional performance.
The BenQ has a plastic lens, inferior image processing, poor contrast due to the high brightness. The BenQ is akin to a cheap portable presentation unit, which also have similar pricing and performance.
Honestly it made me happy to see that you preferred the "old" Yamaha over the "latest and greatest" sub $1000 digital.
If you want 1080p, and you want 1080p that kicks ass like the Yamaha does with 720p, look at used Digital Projection M-Vision DLP projectors. There are a few on ebay right now that are less than $600 shipped. These are $26,000 MSRP units. I have 2 here myself, and the color, contrast, brightness, sharpness, detail, is outstanding for a single-chip unit. Also, no noticeable rainbow effect from the color wheel. The M-Vision 1080p-260 is a $3500 lumen projector at its peak brightness, but if you properly setup the colors, brightness, contrast, run it in low lamp mode, the black levels are more than acceptable IMO, while still providing juicy vivid and overall pleasing image quality.
Guaranteed you'll be happier with an "outdated" $600 1080p M-Vision DLP than you ever would with a $1500 or lower DLP/LCD.
If you want even better black levels from the same projector, there is the "M-Vision Cine 260" the Cine 260 is different from the 1080p 260, in that the cine was intended for the HT market, it has better color (6 segment RGB/RGB CW, no white segment), and higher contrast, at the expense of a little less brightness.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2645 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Link Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Here's 2 of them less than $600. One is a Cine 260-HB at less than $350 shipped, a REAL steal of a deal for such a high end full HD machine. (the HB stands for high brightness, so it will be similar in brightness to the 1080p 260)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/322933514067?epid=140899588&hash=item4b30565f53:g:z1oAAOSwySVaCInT
The other is the 1080p 260 for $550, both are outstanding performers:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/172987554753?hash=item2846dc9bc1:g:RD4AAOSwOA1aEHyU <<1080p-260 (has only 645 hours on the 2000 hour lamp, and also, that seller doesn't realize is, but the hour count he is reading the lamp hours off of, is also the projector total usage hours, so it has only 645 hours of use, basically new still.)
Also, they are only 18 pound projectors, solid aluminum chassis, and much smaller in size than the Yamaha, but bigger than the BenQ.
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jbltecnicspro
Joined: 23 Apr 2016 Posts: 512
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Link Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Gah, and here you go responding when I've already made up my mind and ordered another lamp for the projector. As we haven't moved yet, I think I'm just going to hang on to the Yamaha and just enjoy it. Thanks for pointing out digital projection - I didn't even think of them. I'd really like a Runco LS-5 but those are hit-or-miss as far as when they're on sale.
And as far as the Yamaha vs Benq. I knew the Yammy would be better but I didn't expect it to just walk all over the Benq. Literally the only thing better about the Benq was that its HDMI inputs worked (lol) and I could sit a little closer to the screen.
But any other thing you want to mention - the Yamaha just decimates it.
Edit: And yes - I've grown pretty fond of it. It once started out as my "backup" unit for when I planned on using the G70 and it was acting up. And now it's become my main unit.
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Spanky Ham
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Link Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:01 am Post subject: |
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I would love to try out a high lumen 1080p DLP pj and experiment with a LCD panel in front of it.
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eliomonster
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Link Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:54 am Post subject: |
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The Yamaha is a great machine for 720p and enjoyed it while I had it. Just picked up a Marantz 15S1 for 500.00 and is a huge step up in quality. I for one would not buy any of the new dlps as they have no black levels and you will always miss the 1" chip.
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