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garyfritz



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PostLink    Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:37 pm    Post subject: Low-end TV recommendations Reply with quote


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My son is working a triple-overtime day today. He texted me "This is my 'Earning a Black Friday TV' day" and "GOTTA GET DAT 4K GOODNESS" Smile

I told him 4k is basically a marketing scam, especially for the size / price point he'll be buying. I said unless he sits a foot or two from the screen he probably wouldn't notice the extra resolution -- especially since there isn't much 4k source material out there.

Then he started asking about HDR, and "Do you think OLED is better than HDR?" I said they're different things. OLED is the hardware tech used to display the pixels, HDR is software that changes the signal you send the to pixels. Basically displays don't have the dynamic range that your eye does, so HDR tries to "fake" more dynamic range. I haven't seen an HDR display, but the HDR pictures I've seen look artificially enhanced. I wouldn't want that on my TV.

But they have "HDR" TVs now and I don't know how that fits into things. I think they have wider dynamic range and a larger color gamut, both of which are good. I've read that if you put a lower-res HDR display next to a non-HDR high-res display, reviewers pick the HDR almost every time. So it must work pretty well.

Given that he's a 22-yr-old with a very limited budget who really shouldn't be blowing his money on a new TV, I'd like to reduce what he spends and make sure he gets good bang for his buck. I would tell him to just get a regular 1080p TV like I did, and it'll be good enough. But I doubt he'll listen to that. Next-best would be to get a 1080p HDR display, but there don't seem to be many of those. Seems like you have to go whole hog UHD 4k to get HDR from almost any manufacturer.

Any suggestions for him?
Gary
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kal
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PostLink    Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Low-end TV recommendations Reply with quote

garyfritz wrote:
I think they have wider dynamic range and a larger color gamut, both of which are good.

As long as the source is HDR too. Otherwise you're artificially stretching the colours out to be different from what the original content creator intended if you actually use the HDR space.

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I've read that if you put a lower-res HDR display next to a non-HDR high-res display, reviewers pick the HDR almost every time. So it must work pretty well.

Probably because the colours are unnaturally oversaturated. That doesn't make it right however - it's been faked. It's a common thing that TV manufacturers have done for years: They crank the default saturation up to artificially boost colours so that their display has the most 'pop' on the showroom floor.

Unless you have and watch HDR content, HDR on a display is pointless and is screwing up the image if you use the extended colour gamut.

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Given that he's a 22-yr-old with a very limited budget who really shouldn't be blowing his money on a new TV, I'd like to reduce what he spends and make sure he gets good bang for his buck. I would tell him to just get a regular 1080p TV like I did, and it'll be good enough.

Agreed. Unless he has a 4K Blu-ray player that supports HDR, or can watch other 4K content like the limited stuff on Netflix/Amazon/Youtube, there's little point to it today.

On direct view sized sets I agree that HDR is more interesting than the jump from 1080p -> 4K.

Kal

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PostLink    Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serious advice: Not Vizio.

Less serious advice: Since he's not listening to dad, he will probably do what he wants anyway, so let him make the decision, buy some no name brand that will fail at the 14 month point, and he will learn a life lesson.
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garyfritz



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PostLink    Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooohh, harsh. But apropos. Laughing

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let us know what he decides to do. Some people have their hearts set on something and just will not let it go. I know someone who insisted on getting HDR and 4K and I told him that there's no point in it now because:

1. 4K on 65 inches is extremely small, especially at his family's viewing distance.
2. HDR is eventually moving to Rec 2020, which his set cannot do, so I estimate in a few years it'll be unable to fully deliver what HDR has to offer.
3. His pick was an IPS panel with just over 1200:1 contrast (ick).

But it's his money and his choice. I calibrated it and I must admit it looks pretty good for what it is, until you try to view it in a darkened setting and the blacks are just grays. Oh well.
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