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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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During the day working, sleeping at night, etc. Wink We do spend quite a bit of time in the basement.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been scouring the net for ideas for my basement reno when I stumbled upon this tread. Wow, quite a transformation - much impressed (wish I had the sq footage)...

Your bathroom/sauna area is of particular interest to me. Specifically, the steps involved in construction of a wonderful curbless shower you've got - from plumbing to tiling. Now, I've looked and looked at the many images you have of that corner and, while they do help with the general idea of what's involved, I am still not clear on quite few things. For instance:
- depth of concrete in the lowered area
- dimensions of the box used for forming the shower pan in concrete
- clearances from the exterior wall
- plumbing; waterproofing; etc...

Now, I understand that the work was done by professionals and there is no way you'd be able to answer these personally. So, with that in mind, I would like to ask for your permission to use this thread/images in other online communities as references to help me illustrate what it is I am hoping to achieve.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your bathroom/sauna area is of particular interest to me. Specifically, the steps involved in construction of a wonderful curbless shower you've got - from plumbing to tiling. Now, I've looked and looked at the many images you have of that corner and, while they do help with the general idea of what's involved, I am still not clear on quite few things. For instance:
- depth of concrete in the lowered area
- dimensions of the box used for forming the shower pan in concrete
- clearances from the exterior wall
- plumbing; waterproofing; etc...

Now, I understand that the work was done by professionals and there is no way you'd be able to answer these personally. So, with that in mind, I would like to ask for your permission to use this thread/images in other online communities as references to help me illustrate what it is I am hoping to achieve.


No problems. As long as you keep the image watermarks intact. Please post a link to the external thread if you could as I'd like to follow it myself.

As for your questions:

By depth of concrete if you mean the thickness below, it's typically 4" thick in basements. Footings would be much much deeper of course.

You can make the shower as big or small as you like, as long as the linear drain fits.

There's no exterior wall - it actually is up against a wall that is against a foundation that has garage backfill underneath. The only rule I would say applies here is plumbing code. Depending on how cold it gets where you live, plumbing code may not allow you to install water lines or drain lines on outside walls (you can't where I live).

Plumbing follows standard code practices. The Schluter system does come with comprehensive instructions that are available on their website. Same with waterproofing. I did provide some information and pictures on what we did with the Kerdi waterproof membrane as well.

Good luck!

Kal

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Kal,

I really appreciate you allowing me to use your content (unaltered) as a visual aid in my Q&A endeavors elsewhere on the web.

Here is a link to a discussion board (bathroom reno, tile-work, and related) that I joined for consulting me on this project: http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1355913

Considering that this is going to be entirely a DIY project, every bit of information I gather at the planning stage is invaluable. So I hope you won't mind me coming back here with more none-HTF (basement remodeling type) questions if I fail to find answers elsewhere...

Thanks again.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problems. Feel free to post away... thanks for the link to your build and good luck!

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No problems. Feel free to post away...


Well, for the last few weeks I've been trying to put together a plan of action to aid me with a DIY construction of a basement bathroom similar to yours. There are, however, a few uncertainties that I was hoping you could clarify for me...

Inspections:
- Other than plumbing, did anything else require inspection in the bathroom/sauna area?
- Do you know if Ontario Building Code has any amendments for curbless showers?

Recess construction:
- The way I understand it (based on your pictures and description), concrete slab was recessed and formed to the dimensions of a pre-sloped Kerdi-Line shower base, right?
- Where there any steps or techniques (other than measuring) utilized to produce a recess that would blend seamlessly with the subfloor (Delta-FL+plywood) that was extended into that area later on in the project?
- Did the recess require any subsequent corrections to achieve a perfect fit?

Shower base to subfloor transition:
- From what I can tell, the subfloor terminates right at the edge of the shower pan, right?
- Did they go with Delta-FL all the way to the edge or substituted it with something rigid/solid closer to the shower pan?
- Was there anything like a movement joint placed into a seam between the subfloor and the shower base?




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PostLink    Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dangr wrote:
- Other than plumbing, did anything else require inspection in the bathroom/sauna area?

Electrical would have been inspected as well by the ESA (electrical safety authority - the guys in Ontario who manage electrical permits & inspections). The city inspector that did the plumbing inspection may have been looking at other things as well, I'm not sure.

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- Do you know if Ontario Building Code has any amendments for curbless showers?

I'm not aware. They didn't have any issues what what was built.

Quote:
- The way I understand it (based on your pictures and description), concrete slab was recessed and formed to the dimensions of a pre-sloped Kerdi-Line shower base, right?

Correct.

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- Where there any steps or techniques (other than measuring) utilized to produce a recess that would blend seamlessly with the subfloor (Delta-FL+plywood) that was extended into that area later on in the project?

That I can't answer as I didn't build it myself. Sorry. I didn't watch them work. I think the shower base was just a piece of foam that could be cut to fit. The hard foam thing in this picture covered with the orange waterproofing material (Shluter Kerdi) , under the tile:



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- Did the recess require any subsequent corrections to achieve a perfect fit?

Not that I'm aware of. The shower base form fit perfectly. I believe the base can simply be cut to fit, so make the form whatever size you want it to be (leave room for the tile) and then cut to fit.

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- From what I can tell, the subfloor terminates right at the edge of the shower pan, right?

Correct.

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- Did they go with Delta-FL all the way to the edge or substituted it with something rigid/solid closer to the shower pan?

I'm assuming that Delta-FL is the dimpled membrane used to protect the subfloor from moisture (I call it platon in this thread). I unfortunately don't remember - sorry. If none of the pictures show it then I'm not sure. The Kerdi did come farther out in spots to continue the waterproofing.

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Was there anything like a movement joint placed into a seam between the subfloor and the shower base?

Yes. At the transition from the sloped tile in the shower to the horizontal tile on the floor at the back of the shower - right at the start of the vertical niche.

Hard to see, but it's slightly darker/wider than the grout - see this picture:



Easier to see before the grout went in:







More info earlier: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=350360#350360

Sorry I can't be more help - I hired experts so that I didn't have to figure this all out and try and do this myself. You're a braver man than me! Wink


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PostLink    Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tanks for taking the time to clarify some of these things for me. Much obliged!

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Electrical would have been inspected as well by the ESA...


Ah, yes, the electrical, of course... that's a whole another piece of the puzzle Rolling Eyes

Btw, did you have to submit any of your plans for approval to the ESA or the city or did your contractors take care of that?

I keep staring at that shower glass panel and keep wondering:
- Was that custom made?
- How thick is that glass?
- How is it fastened to the floor/wall?
- If there are screws involved in fasting it, wouldn't they penetrate the membrane and, therefore, compromise waterproofing?

That vertical recess looks awesome but those glass shelves:
- Are they custom ordered?
- Is that tempered glass?

... and those metal channels they sit in:
- What are they?
- Did they come with the glass shelves?
- How were they fastened to the tiles?

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I hired experts so that I didn't have to figure this all out and try and do this myself


They did a beautiful job. The overall design, the layout, the color scheme, the choice of finishes and everything in between appeals to me greatly. Unfortunately, hiring experts is a luxury I cant afford... Besides, I like a good mental challenge and I could use some manual labor - so it's a win win Smile

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dangr wrote:
Btw, did you have to submit any of your plans for approval to the ESA or the city or did your contractors take care of that?

Electrician (hired by the design/build company) took care of that. That said, I've done it numerous times myself so it's straightforward. Contact ESA and they'll walk you through it.

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I keep staring at that shower glass panel and keep wondering:
- Was that custom made?

Yes.

Quote:
- How thick is that glass?

No idea. The designer/glass company knew what was needed, what could be done..

Quote:
- How is it fastened to the floor/wall?

From what I can tell, there's a C-channel that is screwed to the floor/wall. Glass is siliconed in. Bead of silicone all along.

Quote:
- If there are screws involved in fasting it, wouldn't they penetrate the membrane and, therefore, compromise waterproofing?


Not if you silicone all seams properly.

Quote:
That vertical recess looks awesome but those glass shelves:
- Are they custom ordered?
- Is that tempered glass?

Yes to both.

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... and those metal channels they sit in:
- What are they?

No idea. Some sort of metal c-channel. Alu? Stainless possibly?

Quote:
- Did they come with the glass shelves?

Nothing came with nothing. Everything was custom.

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- How were they fastened to the tiles?

Screws.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kal,

After much research and massive amounts of procrastination, my bathroom project is finally underway. I am at the point of making a decision on the type of tile to go with. I know that you've used three types (not counting Realstone) in your bathroom and they look awesome! Unfortunately, none of the local tile places I've been to carry products by ITC Ceramiche. They did however offer to special order these if I had a product code/number/identifier... Any chance you could look that up somewhere (on the boxes, perhaps, if you still have them around)?

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Dangr wrote:
I know that you've used three types (not counting Realstone) in your bathroom and they look awesome! Unfortunately, none of the local tile places I've been to carry products by ITC Ceramiche. They did however offer to special order these if I had a product code/number/identifier... Any chance you could look that up somewhere (on the boxes, perhaps, if you still have them around)?

Hi Dan,

I updated the earlier post where I first showed pictures of the tiles with the tile manufacturer/model number as well the grout used. Here's a cut & paste:

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The bathroom and sauna floor 12x24" tile is a Gallarata Castanho (darker brown tile on left) while the vanity/urinal/toilet wall tile is lighter Gallarata Cinza (lighter tile on right):



There's a floor to ceiling shower niche that will get a small accent tile (Metrik Opus stick blend 1 0.6x4 (12x12)):



Grout for all of the bathroom tile will be "Progrout Bone #7 floor".

Realstone for the wall between the sauna and bathroom:




The colour is "Mocha Shadowstone" (part of their new collection series).

The bar/brewery 12x24" tile is a rich grey tile that has some interesting striations (hard to see in the pictures):



The tile is ITC Metalli Black (ZT-66150-B-6). I believe this tile is discontinued - we got a price break because we bought that last of it. Grout for this grey tile will be a dark "Progrout Anthracite #4 Floor".


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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Kal. That's perfect!

One more thing - would you happen to know the make and model of your bathroom fan?

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dangr wrote:
One more thing - would you happen to know the make and model of your bathroom fan?

This one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EWKKEA/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000EWKKEA&linkCode=as2&tag=theelectricbrewery-20&linkId=AD7E3HLZTCAVYCMH

It's quieter model than normal. Note that what we use doesn't mean it'll work right for you. You have to base it on the bathroom size and amount of steam & heat produced. We have a sauna too (lots of steam). What we use may not be correctly sized for your bathroom.

Longer lengths of duct, smaller diameter duct, and the amount of turns will reduce flow so you need to take that into account too.

If not sure how to size this yourself, talk to an HVAC guy. Ours was sized based on what the HVAC specialist that were hired told us to use. This is part of the cost of hiring professionals.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are going to this level you might want to also consider the Panasonic Whisper Green units:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKkWQ5g3FYw

Pricing:

http://www.amazon.com/s/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&field-keywords=Panasonic%20WhisperGreen%20Bath%20Fans&linkCode=ur2&tag=curtpalmecrtp-20&url=search-alias%3Daps&linkId=TAGHVSCAMUHBV7X6

They are not cheap but offer ALL the bells and whistles, and in basement baths, fitness areas or other areas that need "tuned" ventilation they really excel.
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PostLink    Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone pinged me to let me know that our basement was listed in theCHIVE again:

http://thechive.com/2014/11/10/if-your-basement-looks-like-this-congratulations-you-win-32-photos/

(#26)

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Super cool Kal. Thumbs Up

I was just looking at those today.

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PostLink    Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome, Kal! Congrats! If only you got a buck or two every time somebody drooled over your basement pics! I think I'd owe you at least $10 at this point! Wink

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Maybe I should start a tip jar to help pay for it.... Wink

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kal wrote:
Maybe I should start a tip jar to help pay for it.... Wink

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Or in my case a swear jar...Laughing

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