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Phoenixed · Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 463 Location: The mitten

I believe with my 8500 with new tubes 100" screen. Contrast at 70, brightness at 20. I am at around 6.5fl.

stridsvognen · Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:27 am Post subject:

Here is a screenshot.. Hope ill be better at it, its not as easy as some of you make it look.

stridsvognen · Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:55 am Post subject:

Just received email from custom service, that they released my Moome V3 card today, so now i really hope i can pick it up tomorrow.

I'm sooooo exited.. Very Happy

stridsvognen · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:30 pm Post subject:

Here you see my 1:1 1080P resolution, not perfect. The photo is taken with free hand, it looks a little better live.
I didn't spend much time playing with all the different focus adjustments yet, Its just put on a table, and i'm bumping into it from time to time.. So ill wait spending days on that project.

Its still in standard trim with a little dirt in the glycol, and dots are not perfect.
the signal is Oppo 83 1080P 24Hz 4:2:2 to VP50 and 1080P 60 Hz 4:4:4 RGB into Moome V3

stridsvognen · Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject:

Todays screen shot.

stridsvognen · Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject:

Hey guys.. Beat this one.. Wink

Nashou66 · Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject:

stridsvognen · Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject:

Hey... Thats cheating... You need to use NTSC Laserdisc... Wink

stridsvognen · Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:50 pm Post subject:

I already prefer looking movies on my CRT now. And i really doubt that there is many that have spent so much time as me perfecting the calibration on a JVC.

I can press my nose against the screen, and it is like looking out the window.

I can only imagine the result of some of your guys setup..

I passed the point of returning to digital displays... Don't hope anyone with top 9" CRT machines are thinking about changing.

Its not time yet.. Wink

HaydnG90 · Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 809

Great job. Those screen shots are incredible. What size image are you projecting and whats the screen material.

stridsvognen · Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:33 am Post subject:

stridsvognen · Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject:

Received my new Lumagen Radiance XS+ yesterday evening, and i have made the first calibration.

I spent a lot of time trying to make it run 1080P 72Hz 1.78-1, but so far i seems like its not a option, it will display, but its impossible to adjust the porch settings to push the left side ringing out.
With a clock frequency around 180Mhz some parts of the image is breaking up, and shaking. I have no idea if the problem is in the lumagen or the projector.

I have calibrated to 1080P 60hz 1.78-1 and pushed the ringing out And the clock running 160Mhz

If anyone have ideas or comments to my HCFR file. Please post it.

Kurt

stridsvognen · Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 11:15 am Post subject:

Received my new 110" screen Friday, i have moved the projector back, and reset everything and started all over again..

I'm still interested in seeing some CRT calibration files. If there is anyone willing to share.

thewolfman · Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 195

Stridsvognen,

As a saw you having both a Vision One AND a JVC X7, to top it off, I have to ask you, what your thoughts are on the difference between them might be. Has digital finally caught up with analog CRT?

The reason why I ask is obviously my interest in the JVC, who wouldn’t be, as I would have bought it if it wasn’t so expensive. That said I had to settle with much lesser priced 9500LC with some mods to it. Btw, moome V3 is in the mail from moome and should make my pj top notch again, once it gets here.

I asked Art, at projectorreviews.com, if he could always mention the difference in blacks, at least, and maybe colors between any new digital pj and CRT from now on, but he didn’t answer me back.

Though, I saw him mentioning it in his review about the JVC X70. Now that is good news! Because how else are we supposed to know, what the picture is like if he didn’t mention how it compares to a CRT, I asked him. Everybody knows what a CRT looks like in terms off blacks - but not everybody knows what DLP, LCD and what not looks like in blacks between them. We can’t possibly know, much less from a photo. But a word or two how it compares to a CRT would get us an idea. Well, he may not have answered me back, but he did mention it in this review.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-x70r/index.php

Stridsvognen, now that you happen to be an expert, on both of these systems, I must ask you that you explain what the difference might be. I’m sure many off would appreciate hearing about it. Smile

Thanks.

Wolfman

stridsvognen · Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:52 am Post subject:

Hi Wolfman.

Ill try to explain it the way i have experienced it, and that all started out with my JVC X7.

Last year i bought the X7 and was pleased with it for quite some time, until the picture started to look dark and way to green. And thats where i decided to calibrate it.. Contacted some calibrators, but no one wanted to touch it, and specially not when they didn't sell it.A friend came over with a stack of papers, a few discs and a Spyder 3 and installed HCFR on my laptop.
And before he went home he made it clear that he was sorry to have destroyed my life..

So stupid as i am, or was i started calibrating, i'm a technician, and i really like perfection, and expected no less from this X7 wich claimed all kinds of features and possibilities.

After 7 days in the dark i had lost all hope of perfection, and was working on getting the best out of it. the biggest issue is temperature drifting, its impossible to calibrate for the first 1-2 hours heating up, and after that depending on your room temp, it will continue to drift around. When i turn on my X7 my pre amp amp and blu ray player and all stuff needed i'm sure i burn around 2-2,5Kw

And that gets quite hot during a movie.

500hours on my X7 and i got the best result ever, i was happy, it looked amassing when finding the right room temperature, but 100hours later that was all gone, and at 700 hours i was left with around 5-6fl useless.

JVC have never answered any of my questions regarding CMS problems lamp and drifting, Lets just say its the most fu... service i have ever received.. And i tried everyway possible. Only one to answer me with useful info was ISF that told me it should be possible co calibrate primary colors within a Delta e of 4, and they recommend to change the lamp every 500 hours.

Do the math yourself.. Heat up time from 1-2 hours depending how picky you are, and then look a movie. 500$ pr lamp, calibrate every 50-100 hours.

Thats where i started to look for some other projectors. I started to look around for DLP machines, like i have a old BENQ PE8720
Benq made amassing service when i bought that one..Change it coss of some dust in the optics, and did everything to help.

When calibrating that old DLP its completely stable gamma and RGB from start to stop, and i love it for that, but the black level and color saturation is so bad that its not fun to look at.

So looking at 3 chip DLP, and finding out that it didn't belong inside my budget.

I had another friend over looking my jvc, and he tells me he have never seen better Laserdisc image, but he still think it looks wrong, and ask why i don't try CRT like i'm into vinyl, he don't understand that i can like digital projectors.

So from there i study all i can find on any CRT machine worth looking for, at curtpalmer.com Wink

You know what i ended up with, and i tried to describe as much of my experience here, but to sum it up ill say it like this.

CRT can make better black level, it can resolve near perfect 1080P, and its possible to stand with your nose up the screen without being able to se resolution/ pixels. It can look like looking out the window when standing all close to the screen.

I'm sure ill get better color reproduction when i get my red C element installed, and will guess that i can get as close as 2 Delta E on all colors, with Lumagen CMS.

Crt is a lot of work, but JVC is a lot of work to. So same same.

I'm converted to CRT, its my hobby now, it brings me closer to perfection in many ways, but there is downsides to. like ringing and banding.

But no doubt that ill prefer my CRT any time now, it gives me realism, like looking out the window, and that is where i see that some is way off track when mention that some DLP might be a little sharper/ better than Lcos.. Its simply not natural.. Wake up look out the window.. the truth is right out there to compare with.

So Wolfman.. I think you just need to play with your 9500LC and beat it up to perform its best.. It will beat up everything else you can get your hands on, at least if you like to play with it.

If you think it al sounds crazy, your welcome to buy my JVC X7.. Wink

thewolfman · Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 195

Kurt,

I am very glad I asked, because now I can set my mind at ease. I will be fine with my pj after all; I was worried that 9500LC would lack detail and sharpness but reading what you said, I have no doubt I made the right decision with CRT once more.

My first CRT was A Vidikron TGS 300 and was very happy with the colors and blacks, then jumped to BARCO 600 and was very pleased with the color reproduction. But drifting kept me tweaking all the time and finally got rid of it in 2000.

Well, ever since then been looking for a new pj, and this time digital, but the acclaimed DLP Mitsubishi 4000 was the only digital I ever tried thinking it was a good deal, from reading about it on projectorreviews.com. It looked so good on picture and had the 2, 35:1 zoom so had to have it. Well, only to send it right back the very next day.. sad piece s**t that pj was. So it was clear to me, that 9 incher will be my next pj after all as my budget wouldn’t allow me anything else anyways. Your honest review of your JVC X7 has set my mind at ease for thinking “I could have gone better..”. The most honest review I’ve read about digital and JVC so far.

Thanks!

Nashou66 · Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 11:48 am Post subject:

Kurt you will do even better than 2 Delta E on the greyscale and probably on RGBCMYS too.

Just wait till the red C is in and the lumagen does its magic. That was a great write up^^^ !!!

I have been talking to Chris Stevens( the guru of moding Marquees) lately and he says so far the only Digital he seen to beat CRT is the Sim2 studio 60, but at $60,000 i doubt you will want to go that route. Wink

Athanasios

stridsvognen · Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject:

I'm sorry to say that i cant finish to install my 9500 anytime soon, i just started rebuilding parts of my house, and my HT room is going down.
So i hope to be back on track around November.

Nashou66 · Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject:

Tim in Phoenix · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 2247 Location: Phoenix

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