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dropzone7

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Link Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:57 pm Post subject:

kal wrote:

HogPilot wrote:

To clarify my question, can ChromaPure act as an external controller for a Radiance to access non-CMS related features such as controls for scaling or deinterlacing? I wouldn't think it does, but if so that's definitely a big bonus in addition to the already amazing auto-cal feature.

Scaling and deinterlacing have nothing to do with calibration, so no, ChromaPure doesn't do any of that. That would be like using a blender to turn on your TV. Wink

HogPilot wrote:

I do have a question about the auto-cal feature on ChromaPure - can I tell it to just do a specific portion of a calibration, i.e. only greyscale and gamma or only gamut?

Yup. Watch the auto-calibration video I posted above. It's also on our ChromaPure order page here along with a bunch of other videos: http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure.shtm

You can check off which items you want to calibrate including Gamma, Greyscale, or Color Gamut. You can do 1, 2 or all 3. You can also set the target profile (Rec601 SDTV or Rec709 HDTV).

Kal

That auto calibration just looks too slick. I didn't think these meters would read that quickly though.
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HogPilot

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TV/Projector: JVC RS55, Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD & 111FD

Link Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject:

kal wrote:

HogPilot wrote:

Scaling and deinterlacing have nothing to do with calibration, so no, ChromaPure doesn't do any of that. That would be like using a blender to turn on your TV. Wink

Well then YOU show me a better way to make smoothies while simultaneously controlling my TV to watch my shows! Mr. Green

kal wrote:

HogPilot wrote:

I do have a question about the auto-cal feature on ChromaPure - can I tell it to just do a specific portion of a calibration, i.e. only greyscale and gamma or only gamut?

Badass. Can't wait to use it!
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WanMan

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Link Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:38 am Post subject:

dropzone7 wrote:

So I'm looking at $700 for a meter and software that will control the CMS functions of a Radiance Mini-3D which is another $1300. Dam guys...

You took the words right out of my mouth. But I'm so interested I may need to get the wife ordering.
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dropzone7

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Link Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:53 pm Post subject:

Guys, got a bead on a used Pioneer Pro-FPJ1 (RS2 clone). If I could dump the RS1 and get the Pioneer for a net increase of around $500 would it be worth it? Are the primaries any better on this projector than the RS1? _________________ "Coffee is for Closers."

HogPilot

Joined: 21 Jan 2010
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TV/Projector: JVC RS55, Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD & 111FD

Link Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject:

dropzone7 wrote:

Guys, got a bead on a used Pioneer Pro-FPJ1 (RS2 clone). If I could dump the RS1 and get the Pioneer for a net increase of around $500 would it be worth it? Are the primaries any better on this projector than the RS1?

No, the gamut is very similarly oversaturated, as is the gamut on all of JVC's projectors. The only thing the RS2 will give you is 11-point parametric greyscale/gamma, but you still won't get any gamut controls. Plus you get double the RS1's CR, but you get 100 lumens less as well.
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HogPilot

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:18 am Post subject:

dropzone7 wrote:

Not sure on how much you're looking to spend, but someone just put an FPJ1 up for sale bundled with a Radiance XE for $3K on Videogon. If I were you I'd jump all over that, at that price you're essentially getting the FPJ1 for free, or a Radiance XE for $1K-$1.5K.

http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?projmisc&1329076355&&&/Pioneer-Radiancexe-PRO-FPJ1
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kal
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Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:43 pm Post subject:

HogPilot wrote:

or a Radiance XE for $1K-$1.5K.

That's a good price if you're in the market for an XE, but if you don't need the extra inputs, that's the same cost as a NEW Radiance Mini which comes with warranty/support/etc.

Kal
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Spanky Ham

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:28 pm Post subject:

HogPilot wrote:

dropzone7 wrote:

Or he could just buy the RS45.

HogPilot

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:

HogPilot wrote:

dropzone7 wrote:

Or he could just buy the RS45.

The RS45 only has greyscale and gamma adjustments, nothing for gamut. He'd still need an external box for that.
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Spanky Ham

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject:

That may be true, but he might be satisfied with a RS45 out of the box. Buying an older JVC means adding an outboard box and buying a meter.

HogPilot

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:

That may be true, but he might be satisfied with a RS45 out of the box. Buying an older JVC means adding an outboard box and buying a meter.

Buying ANY JVC without a CMS means adding an outboard box - this includes the RS45. The meter is a requirement for any kind of calibration that extends beyond brightness/contrast - the OP seems interested in an in-depth calibration, so the meter is a given.

Plus part of our discussion earlier was that buying an external box - like the Radiance - allows one an enormous amount of flexibility with future projector purchases, as you don't have to worry about issues like the functionality or capabilities of the projector's on-board controls. The FPJ1/Radiance combo is cheaper than an RS45, and if in the future he decides to upgrade his FPJ1 he can get any projector he wants, knowing that he'll be able to calibrate it with the Radiance.
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macgyver655

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject:

Just stick with CRT and forget about all this other crap and enjoy a great picture and longevity to boot.... _________________ macgyver566@gmail.com

HogPilot

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:50 pm Post subject:

macgyver655 wrote:

Just stick with CRT and forget about all this other crap and enjoy a great picture and longevity to boot.... Laughing

Silly mac with your pot stirring Smile

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macgyver655

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject:

HogPilot wrote:

macgyver655 wrote:

Just stick with CRT and forget about all this other crap and enjoy a great picture and longevity to boot.... Laughing

Silly mac with your pot stirring Smile

I'm sure it makes you smile, even if just a little.
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HogPilot

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject:

macgyver655 wrote:

HogPilot wrote:

macgyver655 wrote:

Just stick with CRT and forget about all this other crap and enjoy a great picture and longevity to boot.... Laughing

Silly mac with your pot stirring Smile

I'm sure it makes you smile, even if just a little.

It was actually worth a good laugh when I read it. I wouldn't have ended my post with a Smile

if I hadn't enjoyed yours!
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Spanky Ham

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:12 pm Post subject:

HogPilot wrote:

Spanky Ham wrote:

That may be true, but he might be satisfied with a RS45 out of the box. Buying an older JVC means adding an outboard box and buying a meter.

Not necessarily. The RS45 isn't as far out as the older JVCs. If Drop wants to be spot on, then a CMS is needed. If close is good enough, then the RS45 might be good enough. Having seen the RS45 at Cedia, I would probably be content with it out of the box.

Yes your combo gives more functionality and gives the advantage of moving to newer pjs. On the flip side, the RS45 is new with a warranty along with the advantages that a newer model brings. At $2599 pre-order, the JVC is a great price.

Spanky Ham

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:13 pm Post subject:

macgyver655 wrote:

Just stick with CRT and forget about all this other crap and enjoy a great picture and longevity to boot.... Laughing

I am. I have five of these things sitting right here. Wink

macgyver655

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Link Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:15 pm Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:

macgyver655 wrote:

Just stick with CRT and forget about all this other crap and enjoy a great picture and longevity to boot.... Laughing

I am. I have five of these things sitting right here. Wink

Your more then welcome to ship one of those beasts here.......... Laughing

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HogPilot

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Link Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:31 am Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:

Not to be argumentative, but "good enough" is highly subjective, and isn't the same as "accurate." Either the OP wants an accurate image or he doesn't. I've already stated that, when I had my RS1's and my RS2, I never watched any of them and said "holy crap this picture is egregious I can't even look at it." Yes, the difference was noticeable once I calibrated my RS1 and did a quick A/B by turning my Radiance's CMS on and off, but even then the overwhelming majority of people looking at the exact same demos would be happy with an RS1 or RS2 out of the box (i.e., either would be "good enough" for far less money than an RS45). One can go back and forth all day regarding the pros and cons of an RS1/2 with a VP compared to an RS45. In the end, it depends on whether or not he wants a VP (that he can use long-term) and a used projector, or a new projector for roughly the same price.

BTW, taking a look at the accuracy of the RS45's gamut, the only actual gamut data I've seen on the RS45 was posted over on AVForums.com for the projector's REC709 preset. Although the saturation and hue of the primaries and secondaries are relatively close to their respective targets, their luminance (Y values) is lower than their targets by a noticeable amount - especially blue, which is off by -13% to -19%! That data shouldn't be accepted as representative of all RS45's without being checked on multiple units, but if it's right I would consider that to be an unusable preset with such a gross error in blue, and I certainly wouldn't consider it "good enough."

Spanky Ham wrote:

Yes your combo gives more functionality and gives the advantage of moving to newer pjs. On the flip side, the RS45 is new with a warranty along with the advantages that a newer model brings. At $2599 pre-order, the JVC is a great price.

Yes, you get the advantage of a warranty and having all the "latest and greatest" with a new model, but with it comes the uncertainties of a model that hasn't been fully wrung out and tested. I currently am trying to sell an RS50 that, although is a great projector, has an annoyingly touchy CMS and a (now-solved) bulb dimming issue that is scaring people away from wanting it used - and my warranty makes no difference on either of these (officially, anyways). With a used PJ at least you have a known quantity as far as a projector's performance strengths and shortcomings. Having been on both sides of the fence (new and used equipment) it's really 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
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WanMan

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Link Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:07 am Post subject:

So, the RS20 is still a good item to have. _________________ Trust no one. Absolutely no one. Advice of the board.

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