I have a thing for sub movies and this one's definitely my favourite:
This is the full 282 minute version, not the bastardized American version.
If you watch one sub movie, this is the one to watch! It stole some ideas from the earlier 1958 Run Silent Run Deep with Clark Gable but the grit and realism of Das Boot makes it an easier watch in 2011 (I find some of the older movies need a different mindset to enjoy).
Think of this movie as the gritty thinking man's version of U-571. (U-571 is basically a mish-mash of every sub movie that came out before it, simplified and glossed over).
Link Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:20 am Post subject:
I saw this, too -- but my wife failed to see why I'd need a version to go with my 2 LDs and the DVD of this. Any idea how come wikipedia says the DVD TV mini-series DVD version is listed at 293mins mini-series versions and the blu-ray is 282min version?
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Link Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:43 am Post subject:
Good question.
The 293 seems to be the "original uncut version".
A quote:
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The new footage that appears in the Uncut Version is not simply superfluous addition either, but in a few instances actually clarifies or adds completely new elements to the Director's Cut storyline (I won't ruin that for you, suffice to say that some very interesting plot elements are introduced in this newer edition). This cut is also much more pointed in depicting the stress, paranoia, poor morale, and sheer boredom of the crew, who are shown praying, making mistakes, complaining, and doing many stupid things just to pass the time and ease the strain of being a submariner. Of interest is the enthusiasm that the crew eventually displays at the prospect of going into battle: not because that is what they have trained to do, but because anything is preferable to the endless waiting and resulting apathy between enemy contacts. Numerous conversations between various characters have been added, and minor characters that didn't make it into the Director's Edition appear in the Uncut Version. A few treats exist as well, such as a shot where the Second Officer can be more clearly seen using a Kreigsmarine four-rotor ENIGMA machine to decode a transmission. Most importantly of all, the new footage emphasizes the sense of watching the story unfold through the eyes of the war correspondent, which is what Director Wolfgang Peterson originally intended. The new footage adds considerably to the picture's atmosphere, and contributes important characterization -- particularly for Johann the Chief Engineer, the second-in-command, and Grade, the Chief of the Boat.
They claim the runtime of the various versions is: 149 min | 209 min (director's cut) | 293 min (uncut version)
But if you go to the Amazon order page (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004SUDQ4U?tag=curtpalmecrtp-20&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=B004SUDQ4U&creative=373489&camp=211189) it certainly called a 'directors cut' but is listed as 149 mins in the product details, but then 282 minutes in the amazon.com editorial reviews.
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Link Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:53 am Post subject:
Ok, it's likely the 209 minute directors cut.
From TheDigitalBits.com:
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The 2-disc set will officially include the Director's Cut of the film, newly-remastered for high-def, along with the Theatrical Cut as well. You'll also get 3 hours of all-new BD-exclusive special features, including director's commentary with Peterson, a new retrospective documentary of the making of the film (Wolfgang Petersen: Back to The Boat), 2 Going Deeper featurettes (Maria's Take and The Perfect Boat), 7 Captain's Tour featurettes that take you around the sets (Rooms Overview, Entry Conning Tower, Torpedo Room & Crew Quarters, Captain's & Officers' Rooms, The Control Room, Petty Officers' Room & Galley and Diesel & Electric Motor Rooms), 2 vintage featurettes (including a 1981 Behind the Scenes and the 1983 Battle for the Atlantic), theatrical trailers and more! Here's a link to the official release teaser trailer, as well as a look at the official cover artwork...
Strikes me as odd to hear someone say "we're sinking!" in the trailer, since it's a German movie. I can't imagine this is a dubbed for English version! That would not be good. (The Amazon order page mentions that it's German with subtitles but a dubbed track is available too...)
Link Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject:
I dunno -- the BBC was (5) 60mins shows, so could easily have been 300min - 18mins of talk total. I'd bet we are all splitting hairs. The director's cut is already on my favorite movie list...but the extra duration would push it from a marathon movie to a 2-parter, for sure...at that point it really stops being a movie, in my book. Plus part of what I love about the length is that sitting there for that long really helps let the feeling pervade.
hmmm...time to search for crt folks' favorite films and favorite show-off/visual movies...haven't explored much of these parts of the forum!
Matt
My favorites, not a critical rating list, just my favorites (you'll see I like character studies, of a sort)
1. Shawshank Redemption
2. Unfaithfully Yours (Rex Harrison)
3. The Sound of Music / The Music Man
4. Groundhog Day / Waking Ned Devine
5. Das Boot
6. Star Wars IV-VI
7. Toy Story / Wallace and Grommit Shorts
8. Weird Science / Stand By Me
9. Fargo/Raising Arizona/The Hudsucker Proxy
10. The Bridge Over the River Kwai / Saving Private Ryan
this link talks about a 209 mins version but if it`s the same as the disc at amazon, i don`t know.
certainly confusing.
can they get 5 hours of movie on 1 blu ray btw without compromising quality too much? _________________ 1 answer always poses multiple questions.
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Link Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject:
I just wanted to chime in and say that this is a FANTASTIC BD, and the re-done sound is truly exceptional. I hadn't seen this movie since I was a kid, and it was simply brilliant all the way around. Picture quality was meticulously excellent.
"this link talks about a 209 mins version but if it`s the same as the disc at amazon, i don`t know.
certainly confusing.
can they get 5 hours of movie on 1 blu ray btw without compromising quality too much?"
The TV-version (I think that's the 5-hour version) is not included in this release. In this release is the directors cut 208 mins(~3.5hrs) on a single BD, and the shorter theatrical cut 149-minutes on a separate BD, along with a bunch of pretty interesting extra features.
I watched most of the extra features and the Director's Cut (that has the new soundtrack). I didn't watch the shorter theatrical cut. I have never seen the longer TV mini-series version, but they have some clips from that and talk about it in some of the extra features. Director Wolfgang Peterson describes his director's cut as kind of a happy medium between the much shorter theatrical cut and the very long TV version in one of the extra features dedicated specifically to the creation of the director's cut (with I think the original film editor if I recall correctly), along with completely re-creating the soundtrack from the original elements and a lot of new foley effects and heavier surround and bass usage (which is FANTASTIC!).
"I can't imagine this is a dubbed for English version! That would not be good."
Kal: Nono, definitely not, the original German is the main lossless audio track (for the director's cut). There is also an English dub on there, which as far as dubs go (I took a peek for a few scenes) is excellent, because most all of the main actors were bilingual, so I think they re-did their own English dubs for a newer version (I'm not clear where?). The original English dubs were done by English actors with strong British accents, which sound utterly ridiculous (they talk about this in the extra features). Regardless, the original German is the main track and no you're not stuck with a sh*tty dub. And it sounds GREAT!!! (did I mention that already enough??? )
This is a must-rent, and for any submarine movie fans a definite must-buy BD.
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Link Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:18 am Post subject:
Cool. I figured there's no way they'd force a dubbed movie on us. I own the DVD and love the movie, this Blu-ray's sitting in my "to watch" pile on my shelf.
I'd be interested in the full blown 5-hour version too. They don't need to cram it in one disc. 2-3 discs is fine. No different than all the other really long movies out there on BD.
Link Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:02 am Post subject:
kal wrote:
Cool. I figured there's no way they'd force a dubbed movie on us. I own the DVD and love the movie, this Blu-ray's sitting in my "to watch" pile on my shelf.
I'd be interested in the full blown 5-hour version too. They don't need to cram it in one disc. 2-3 discs is fine. No different than all the other really long movies out there on BD.
I watched part of Carlos on TV on vacation, it was pretty well done. I only got through an hour or so of the first part, I didn't really know enough of the history to really get into it, I'll probably rent it at some point. Not really a vacation movie though, I should probably sit through the whole thing at once, it wasn't really something to just kind of stumbled into.
I'm saving up my 'epic-long-movie' quota for Cleopatra and Lawrence of Arabia in 70mm. Gonna be awesome!
Personally, after seeing the directors cut of Das Boot, I'm not really interested in seeing a long TV version(It seems like there are two slightly longer TV version, along with a never-released 6.5 hour working version that was then turned into the final director's cut? So very confusing!). I feel it would probably pull away from the focus of being in the boat too much, and off into character back-story which seems like it would distract from the kind of relentless onslaught of pressure and suspense of being stuck in the U-Boat. Some day, though, I'd be curious to see it. I wasn't even aware it was on DVD, but Amazon thinks so, and the review is quite positive, and makes a great point about the ability of a longer work to capture the waiting and boredom as well:
I really loved Generation Kill for the ability to capture the mundane nature of time in its 6-hour run-time, which still felt too short (it was just SOO good!).
The last really long one I watched was Che, (Del Toro is exceptional) but it's kind of two entirely separate parts so it's natural to watch them in two parts (~500 minutes total). It looked pretty good on Criterion BD, I think it was the first full feature shot on the Red (and they've made a lot of progress since then). I wish they had had the budget to shoot a film like this in 35mm, but it still looked plenty good.
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Link Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject:
Yup, I liked Generation Kill for that reason as well. Unglorified war.
I can't say I know a thing it myself (having never experienced it) but I figure in most cases it's 99.99% waiting followed by a few seconds of sheer terror. Frankly, I don't know how anyone could do it.
I really liked Che as well when I watched it last year on Blu-ray. It is indeed the first (or one of the first) full features shot on Red. There's a good documentary about it in the discs too which I found really interesting.
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