Hi there, I hope one of you might be able to assist to get the newly arrived FullHD v3 to work in 3D mode. I am using a PC with Arcsoft TMT and get the 3D picture displayed (720p @ 120Hz). So far so good. What I can't get to work are the NVidia 3D kit's shutter glasses.
There might be two issues, as far as I see:
a) Please note: Many (all?) NVidia 3D kits, shipped in Europe, do not contain a VESA 3 pin Mini DIN to 2.5mm Stereo connector cable, hence I built one, please see below, which might be incorrect
b) I am unclear if I need in addition to above cable an USB connection to feed the NVidia IR Transmitter with power: If so, does it have to be an USB cable soley containing the power supply pins.
Now to the cable, mentioned in a).
I would very much appreciate if somebody, who owns such a NVidia connection cable, could check/verify the connections. I found one single reference which describes the cable, but I believe the pin numbering of the Mini DIN connector is incorrect (and my setup does not work), hence I am concerned.
What I am really after is to know the expected signals at tip, ring and sleeve of the 2.5mm NVidia 3D sync connector. That way I could simply able to check my setup.
What I found/made (but which might be incorrect) is this:
Moome box: Sleeve (3.5mm connector) = Ground, Ring (3.5mm)=Signal, Tip (3.5mm)=5V
Moome Adapter, supplied with unit (3.5mm stereo connector to 3pin Vesa Mini DIN 3pin female connector.
I am looking at the face of the Mini DIN connector, i.e. I am looking into the insertion holes of the connector.
The only cable pin out description I found is at [url]http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=98067&hl=25mm 3d sync connector&st=0[/url]. It shows the soldering side of the male connector, which would connect to Moome's adapter, shown above, hence the mating connections are shown in identical positions.
Sleeve(3.5mm) -> Sleeve (2.5mm)
Ring(3.5mm) -> Tip (2.5mm)
Tip(3.5mm) -> Ring (2.5mm)
I made such a cable and connected it between Moome EXT FullHD and the NVidia 3D Vision transmitter. It does not light up (it might not need to, but that's what I need to find out). The shutter glasses do also not work.
Can somebody assist or maybe check an existing (proper) Nvidia connection cable or advise on the need to also connect USB (for power).
P.S.: I also emailed Moome about the pin layout but haven't heard anything yet
Joined: 07 Nov 2008 Posts: 152 Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Link Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject:
I had even bigger problems bringing up my PS3 with EXT V3 in 3D mode.
Unfortuntely I didn't made it yet. I have also the 3d vision kit from nvidia and of
course the same problem with the VESA adapter. I have used the information
from this site for soldering an adapter:
I am not sure if my adapter worked because I didn't got my PS3 in 3d mode.
But anyway I have found an additional information
in another forum, that the nvidia emitter won't work without USB since USB
is used for power supply and not the stereo jack connector.
I would try it with connected USB cable. At the moment I am waiting for
a replacement box from Moome and I hope this will work better... _________________ http://www.bluray-disc.de/blulife/heimkino/prover
Link Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject:
prover wrote:
I had even bigger problems bringing up my PS3 with EXT V3 in 3D mode.
Unfortuntely I didn't made it yet. I have also the 3d vision kit from nvidia and of
course the same problem with the VESA adapter. I have used the information
from this site for soldering an adapter:
I am not sure if my adapter worked because I didn't got my PS3 in 3d mode.
But anyway I have found an additional information
in another forum, that the nvidia emitter won't work without USB since USB
is used for power supply and not the stereo jack connector.
I would try it with connected USB cable. At the moment I am waiting for
a replacement box from Moome and I hope this will work better...
Hi, thanks for this. It is interesting information, as this will result in a different signal distribution along the 2.5mm connector (assuming the 3.5mm connector, mentioned at www.stero3d.com is simply replaced by a 2.5mm with identical signal layout).
Simply adding USB (standard or power only) made no difference (with my existing cable!). Tomorrow I will rewire it up as given at www.stereo3d.com.
It would really be great if somebody could let me know how Ground, 5V and 3D Sync signal should be distributed along the 2.5mm 3D NVidia Sync connector (sleeve, ring, tip). That would save a lot of work
Thanks,
Udo
Joined: 07 Nov 2008 Posts: 152 Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Link Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:27 am Post subject:
Sorry I have almost forgotten to say: it isn't enough to plug in both stereo jack and USB,
u have also to configure the emitter to use the stereo jack connector for synchronization.
I suppose u have to do this using the driver and setup software that comes with the 3d vision kit.
Otherwise the emitter thinks snychronisation comes via USB, so the glasses aren't driven at all. _________________ http://www.bluray-disc.de/blulife/heimkino/prover
Link Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: I cannot get it to work
Hi, as I already mentioned, I simply cannot get the new Moome EXT FullHD v3 to work in 3D mode using a NVidia 3D kit. There must be something I have simply overseen - I hope.
I was unable to get the setup working as shown in Moome's instruction (which does not show a connection between the NVidia 3D IR transmitter and the PC), hence should be independent of the graphics card used (as long as it is 3D enabled).
Therefore, I replaced the my ATi 4850 with a NVidia GTS250. After installing all necessary drivers NVidia detected the display as before (1280x720p@120Hz), but the NVidia Setup Wizard will not recognise it (=the Moome EXT FullHD v3) as suitable setup, hence it never triggers the shutterglasses. It only offers 3D anachrome method.
The PC's output is definitely 1280x720p @ 120Hz, as confirmed by the CRT's OSD.
If I use the GTS250's analog output, I can get the NVidia test pattern to work at 85Hz, i.e. it triggers correctly the shutter glasses. However, running Arcsoft TMT 3 (incl. its 3D plugin) only triggers the glasses for a fraction of a second when I try to run a 3D Blu-ray.
I have also tried the suggested, revised pin layout of the NVidia 2.5mm 3D sync plug (sleeve=Ground, ring=signal and tip=5V). This in accordance with www.stereo3D.com. Unfortunately it made no difference. I still don't know what the correct layout should be
BTW, I can see a sync signal, being approx. 50% low, 50% high, coming from the Moome FullHD v3.
HELP: Does anybody have a 3D setup working using NVidia's 3D kit & Moome's Ext FullHD v3? I would love to know your exact configuration. I also hope Moome could join this discussion, but unfortunately he hasn't yet (nor has he answered my emails).
Joined: 07 Nov 2008 Posts: 152 Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Link Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:52 am Post subject:
hmmm... that doesn't look good. The behaviour of
your grafix adapter looks similar to me to the behaviour of my PS3.
It doesn't accept the EXT V3 box as a 3d-capable device , that seems
to me the core of the problem in both our cases.
Joined: 07 Nov 2008 Posts: 152 Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Link Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject:
overclkr wrote:
My original 60gb PS3 recognized my V3 as a 3D capable device the very first time I went to display settings.
I have also an "old/fat" 60gb PS3 and this didn't worked for me. The PS3 doesn't ask about screen size for 3d-setting...
I wonder what was wrong
My setup was:
PS3->via HDMI EXT V3-> via RGB SONY 1292
Actually you can't do anything wrong but unfortunately it didn't worked!
Can you post a short description of your setup?
Every help is appreciated! _________________ http://www.bluray-disc.de/blulife/heimkino/prover
Link Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:41 am Post subject:
I have an old 60GB PS3, and I did get it to recognize as 3D capable.
No go on 3D output so far. I have a Viewsonic projector, and I can get a signal through the box. If it believes it's in 1080p, the PS3 will enable 3D as a possibility. When a game actually attempts to enable 3D, I lose picture. There doesn't appear to be a way to limit the PS3 to 720p, when using the Automatic display setting. This setting seems to be the only way 3D is detected.
Interestingly, when in "1080p" (which the PJ can't really display), the input shows as "Component," even though it's over VGA. When trying to use 720p, as VGA, the PS3 will not acknowledge the 3D capability.
I was hoping this would work, but I'm pretty sure it wont. I believe this PJ will do 3D over VGA, but it's likely the two signals aren't compatible...
Link Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:13 pm Post subject:
prover wrote:
overclkr wrote:
My original 60gb PS3 recognized my V3 as a 3D capable device the very first time I went to display settings.
I have also an "old/fat" 60gb PS3 and this didn't worked for me. The PS3 doesn't ask about screen size for 3d-setting...
I wonder what was wrong
My setup was:
PS3->via HDMI EXT V3-> via RGB SONY 1292
Actually you can't do anything wrong but unfortunately it didn't worked!
Can you post a short description of your setup?
Every help is appreciated!
Right now, I'm just going from my PS3>MoomeV3>Sony GDM Monitor.
When I went into display setup, the PS3 saw 3D capable for 1080P/720P. I haven't actually tested 3D yet due to lack of 3D content. Will let you guys know the results when I get content to test with.
Link Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:02 am Post subject:
Dear guys:
sorry for late, I will do some work on system setting this weekend and post here ~~~
give me some time _________________ http://www.moomecard.com
Joined: 07 Nov 2008 Posts: 152 Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Link Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject:
so meanwhile I have the replacement box and this time worked with PS3 and 3D-game (pacific rift 3D).
I am able to give out a stable 720@120Hz 3D picture but I can't get the nvidia glasses to work, I have tried several configurations regading the wiring of the VESA connector and also tried to use a pair of old dumb ASUS glasses (wired)
instead of the nvidia but this didn't worked neither.
Link Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:17 pm Post subject:
prover wrote:
so meanwhile I have the replacement box and this time worked with PS3 and 3D-game (pacific rift 3D).
I am able to give out a stable 720@120Hz 3D picture but I can't get the nvidia glasses to work, I have tried several configurations regading the wiring of the VESA connector and also tried to use a pair of old dumb ASUS glasses (wired)
instead of the nvidia but this didn't worked neither.
I am curious about the system settings moome wants to post here.
when using with PS3, you can use the external 3D IR emitter and glasses~
you can check with www.3dmagic.com
and I will also help to sell their glasses on my site( for some discount if you are an ext v3 user )www.moomecard.com in Jan. 2011 _________________ http://www.moomecard.com
Joined: 07 Nov 2008 Posts: 152 Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Link Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject:
moome wrote:
prover wrote:
so meanwhile I have the replacement box and this time worked with PS3 and 3D-game (pacific rift 3D).
I am able to give out a stable 720@120Hz 3D picture but I can't get the nvidia glasses to work, I have tried several configurations regading the wiring of the VESA connector and also tried to use a pair of old dumb ASUS glasses (wired)
instead of the nvidia but this didn't worked neither.
I am curious about the system settings moome wants to post here.
when using with PS3, you can use the external 3D IR emitter and glasses~
you can check with www.3dmagic.com
and I will also help to sell their glasses on my site( for some discount if you are an ext v3 user )www.moomecard.com in Jan. 2011
I am intending to use both PS3 for 3D games and HTPC for 3D bluray playback.
I had a look on www.3dmagic.com but there are so many configurations there I can't
really figure our which solution is going to work for PS3 and HTPC using EXT V3.
Please give a recomendation at least which was the detailed configuration you have succesfully
used for your development and tests!
I am not keen in buying a dozen of different glasses and emitter in order to puzzle
out what works with EXT V3 and what not.
The hope buying EXT V3 was to have a well defined solution that really works and not
begin experimental work from scratch... _________________ http://www.bluray-disc.de/blulife/heimkino/prover
Link Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:12 pm Post subject:
prover wrote:
moome wrote:
prover wrote:
so meanwhile I have the replacement box and this time worked with PS3 and 3D-game (pacific rift 3D).
I am able to give out a stable 720@120Hz 3D picture but I can't get the nvidia glasses to work, I have tried several configurations regading the wiring of the VESA connector and also tried to use a pair of old dumb ASUS glasses (wired)
instead of the nvidia but this didn't worked neither.
I am curious about the system settings moome wants to post here.
when using with PS3, you can use the external 3D IR emitter and glasses~
you can check with www.3dmagic.com
and I will also help to sell their glasses on my site( for some discount if you are an ext v3 user )www.moomecard.com in Jan. 2011
I am intending to use both PS3 for 3D games and HTPC for 3D bluray playback.
I had a look on www.3dmagic.com but there are so many configurations there I can't
really figure our which solution is going to work for PS3 and HTPC using EXT V3.
Please give a recomendation at least which was the detailed configuration you have succesfully
used for your development and tests!
I am not keen in buying a dozen of different glasses and emitter in order to puzzle
out what works with EXT V3 and what not.
The hope buying EXT V3 was to have a well defined solution that really works and not
begin experimental work from scratch...
their 3D glasses is mode U, and IR emitter model is Gen2. _________________ http://www.moomecard.com
Link Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject:
moome wrote:
prover wrote:
moome wrote:
prover wrote:
so meanwhile I have the replacement box and this time worked with PS3 and 3D-game (pacific rift 3D).
I am able to give out a stable 720@120Hz 3D picture but I can't get the nvidia glasses to work, I have tried several configurations regading the wiring of the VESA connector and also tried to use a pair of old dumb ASUS glasses (wired)
instead of the nvidia but this didn't worked neither.
I am curious about the system settings moome wants to post here.
when using with PS3, you can use the external 3D IR emitter and glasses~
you can check with www.3dmagic.com
and I will also help to sell their glasses on my site( for some discount if you are an ext v3 user )www.moomecard.com in Jan. 2011
I am intending to use both PS3 for 3D games and HTPC for 3D bluray playback.
I had a look on www.3dmagic.com but there are so many configurations there I can't
really figure our which solution is going to work for PS3 and HTPC using EXT V3.
Please give a recomendation at least which was the detailed configuration you have succesfully
used for your development and tests!
I am not keen in buying a dozen of different glasses and emitter in order to puzzle
out what works with EXT V3 and what not.
The hope buying EXT V3 was to have a well defined solution that really works and not
begin experimental work from scratch...
their 3D glasses is mode X ( the lowest cost) , and IR emitter model is Gen2.
Joined: 07 Nov 2008 Posts: 152 Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Link Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:24 pm Post subject:
moome wrote:
prover wrote:
moome wrote:
prover wrote:
so meanwhile I have the replacement box and this time worked with PS3 and 3D-game (pacific rift 3D).
I am able to give out a stable 720@120Hz 3D picture but I can't get the nvidia glasses to work, I have tried several configurations regading the wiring of the VESA connector and also tried to use a pair of old dumb ASUS glasses (wired)
instead of the nvidia but this didn't worked neither.
I am curious about the system settings moome wants to post here.
when using with PS3, you can use the external 3D IR emitter and glasses~
you can check with www.3dmagic.com
and I will also help to sell their glasses on my site( for some discount if you are an ext v3 user )www.moomecard.com in Jan. 2011
I am intending to use both PS3 for 3D games and HTPC for 3D bluray playback.
I had a look on www.3dmagic.com but there are so many configurations there I can't
really figure our which solution is going to work for PS3 and HTPC using EXT V3.
Please give a recomendation at least which was the detailed configuration you have succesfully
used for your development and tests!
I am not keen in buying a dozen of different glasses and emitter in order to puzzle
out what works with EXT V3 and what not.
The hope buying EXT V3 was to have a well defined solution that really works and not
begin experimental work from scratch...
their 3D glasses is mode U, and IR emitter model is Gen2.
Gen2 I have seen on their site, bur which glasses are U. I have seen there
- Model X wired or wireless
- Model E
Link Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject:
prover wrote:
moome wrote:
prover wrote:
moome wrote:
prover wrote:
so meanwhile I have the replacement box and this time worked with PS3 and 3D-game (pacific rift 3D).
I am able to give out a stable 720@120Hz 3D picture but I can't get the nvidia glasses to work, I have tried several configurations regading the wiring of the VESA connector and also tried to use a pair of old dumb ASUS glasses (wired)
instead of the nvidia but this didn't worked neither.
I am curious about the system settings moome wants to post here.
when using with PS3, you can use the external 3D IR emitter and glasses~
you can check with www.3dmagic.com
and I will also help to sell their glasses on my site( for some discount if you are an ext v3 user )www.moomecard.com in Jan. 2011
I am intending to use both PS3 for 3D games and HTPC for 3D bluray playback.
I had a look on www.3dmagic.com but there are so many configurations there I can't
really figure our which solution is going to work for PS3 and HTPC using EXT V3.
Please give a recomendation at least which was the detailed configuration you have succesfully
used for your development and tests!
I am not keen in buying a dozen of different glasses and emitter in order to puzzle
out what works with EXT V3 and what not.
The hope buying EXT V3 was to have a well defined solution that really works and not
begin experimental work from scratch...
their 3D glasses is mode U, and IR emitter model is Gen2.
Gen2 I have seen on their site, bur which glasses are U. I have seen there
- Model X wired or wireless
- Model E
which from them do u mean would ift?
I have test their model X wireless with good result. and I have test other model, if done,
I will list them at my site. _________________ http://www.moomecard.com
Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Sydney Australia
Link Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:27 am Post subject:
prover wrote:
so meanwhile I have the replacement box and this time worked with PS3 and 3D-game (pacific rift 3D).
I am able to give out a stable 720@120Hz 3D picture but I can't get the nvidia glasses to work, I have tried several configurations regading the wiring of the VESA connector and also tried to use a pair of old dumb ASUS glasses (wired)
instead of the nvidia but this didn't worked neither.
I am curious about the system settings moome wants to post here.
I have this exact same problem a 3D picture out of my PC using Power DVD 10 on my XG 1350 at 720p 90khz/120hz I can not get the Nvidia glasses to work or the Asus glasses.
This is the third Moome product I have purchased everything has worked out of the box as it should not this one it has become a nightmare.
Moome we need some help.
Bill
Link Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:21 am Post subject:
Billm wrote:
prover wrote:
so meanwhile I have the replacement box and this time worked with PS3 and 3D-game (pacific rift 3D).
I am able to give out a stable 720@120Hz 3D picture but I can't get the nvidia glasses to work, I have tried several configurations regading the wiring of the VESA connector and also tried to use a pair of old dumb ASUS glasses (wired)
instead of the nvidia but this didn't worked neither.
I am curious about the system settings moome wants to post here.
I have this exact same problem a 3D picture out of my PC using Power DVD 10 on my XG 1350 at 720p 90khz/120hz I can not get the Nvidia glasses to work or the Asus glasses.
This is the third Moome product I have purchased everything has worked out of the box as it should not this one it has become a nightmare.
Moome we need some help.
Bill
Dear bill:
did you connect the 3D vision IR emitter with USB interface? if you are using nvidia 3d vision,
you will don't need use 3D phone jack on EXT V3. and for ASUS glasses, is it a wireless?
I have my set work is:
windows 7
CPU E8400
Nvidia GT430 (HDMI1.4 support)
POwer DVD 10 with latest version, (need set 3D device as HDTV 720P 60Hz, and graphic card need HDMI1.4 support)
3DTV glasses and IR emitter (it is a good set)
I will get my camera next week, can take some screen shot to share here. _________________ http://www.moomecard.com
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