The only thing it's good for is keeping older display devices useable. Maybe that's the real goal, force everyone ot go out and buy a new projector or Television. Rolling Eyes
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject:
The EXT. FULL HD V3 3D capable unit is gone now too(off the product page), even before it officially was available for sale!
This is unbelievable, the HDCP police and their lawyers must be out "in force".
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject:
Maybe these companies just have to show that its an analog output and in no way digital , except in the MUX-HD case. Then they mat allow them for sale once more. Its like saying Gasoline is illegal now so we all have to go out and buy electric cars. Just doesn't make sense.
And it's Americans and canadians who are making all the Bootleg Blu Ray movies out there , Geeze !!!!!
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject:
draganm wrote:
birddog wrote:
I was planning on buying an HD Fury 3 for Christmas. Do I wait? Do I buy from another retailer? Is there something else that would work for my Sony D50? I don't want to have to run HDMI cables from my sources to my projector.
Mike
the Moome internal card is great and works in most D50's (some didn't have the expansion slot for some reason). Card can be swapped into a G70 or G90 at any time as well.
Ron W wrote:
Nashou66 wrote:
Not sure, Amazon still has them listed. But It does sound scary. I wouldn't worry about moome's stuff except the MUX-HD.
Athanasios
Just wondering why you think one should not worry about Moome's stuff? Other than a couple of feature differences, the concept and purpose of the EXT HD V2 and forthcoming V3 are pretty much identical to the Fury3.
I have owned both and there doesn't seem to be much difference to me.
the internal cards are exempt because they cannot be used to transcode video to an external device. In other words once the signal is in the RGB domain it can only go to the tubes, not to some copying device. in that regard a Moome internal card is no different than an HDMI input on any new projector.
No, any HDMI RX not embedded and sold into a ready to use fully sealed TV/projector, whatever. IS NOT ALLOWED TO SELL IN US/CA under the industry "state of mind" of the moment (aka zeitgeist).
That means ONTO the very same PCB.
However, users who have legit purpose (everyone here) could always purchase overseas because DMCA only apply to US/CA countries. European, Asian and Americans purchasing from Europe or Asia will be fine.
It's the resell process in the US which is not allowed.
You are free to purchase them, they remain legit all over the world until proven otherwise by a court case in each country.
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject:
So where is the court case in the US or CA where they found an HDMI to RGBHV converter illegal? Or is this just a non Case made law that the Hollywood lobbyist pushed through.
Athanasios _________________ Don't blame your underwear for your crooked ass~ unknown Greek philosopher
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject:
Forum and product disappears without explanation. Kal and Curt refuse to elaborate. I'm sure this site has sold many HDFurys, and you would think it's customers deserve an explanation.
U.S. Developments Demonstrate Canada's C-32 Digital Lock Rules More Restrictive Than DMCA
Monday July 26, 2010
Since the introduction of Bill C-32, I have consistently argued that the digital lock provisions are far more restrictive than what is required under the WIPO Internet treaties. Now two recent developments in the U.S. demonstrate that the Canadian proposal is also considerably more restrictive than what is found in the U.S.
First, a significant new appellate court case from the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals has concluded that the restrictions on circumventing an "access control" (ie. a digital lock that restricts access to a work rather than a copy control which restricts copying of a work) are far more limited than previously thought. With language that bears a striking similarity to those arguing circumvention should be permitted for lawful purposes, the U.S. appeals court states:
Merely bypassing a technological protection that restricts a user from viewing or using a work is insufficient to trigger the DMCA’s anti-circumvention provision. The DMCA prohibits only forms of access that would violate or impinge on the protections that the Copyright Act otherwise affords copyright owners.
In other words, the U.S. court has found that DMCA is limited to guarding access controls only to the extent that circumvention would violate the copyright rights of the copyright owner. This is very similar to what many groups have been arguing for in the context of Canadian legal reform.
Second, this morning the U.S. Copyright Office released the results of its anti-circumvention rulemaking process. The process, which runs every three years, identifies the new exceptions to its anti-circumvention rules. The recommendation covers six exceptions including circumvention of DVDs for short clips for education, documentary filmmaking, and non-commercial videos, circumvention to unlock and jailbreak cellphones, circumvention of video games for testing of security flaws, and circumvention of access controls of e-books where all available e-book editions contain restrictions of the read-aloud function.
While Bill C-32 has a similar exception for locked cellphones, the U.S. version includes both unlocking and jailbreaking to allow users to play unapproved applications on their devices. Moreover, the U.S. DVD and e-book exceptions go much further than the Canadian proposal. In the DVD context, Canadian documentary film makers have raised precisely this concern, yet the U.S. now has an exception for it and Canada would not under C-32. Similarly, the new YouTube exception in the Canadian bill - trumpted as progressive - is still subject to digital locks, while the U.S. has specific exception for it. Taken together, it becomes apparent that the Canadian rules are far more restrictive than even the U.S. DMCA. _________________ Don't blame your underwear for your crooked ass~ unknown Greek philosopher
"The government can't control the economy without controlling the people" RR
One Smart Dog!!! Tom Bauerle to Andre Cuomo" Elliot Spitzer Screwed some Prostitutes, you screwed the Constitution" On his call to Cuomo to Resign!!!
Link Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject:
Nashou66 wrote:
I think i'm going to make a box that will accept the Moome Internal cards and have RGBHV BNC's out. Sell them here. What you guys think?
Let me know if you want my Sony IFU-1271 to reverse engineer it, Athanasios... Takes an IFB board, outputs RGBHV, and if IIRC is rated for 300- or 350Mhz of bandwidth. That's pretty much exactly what you're talking about.
Only thing is, if I understand HKmod's comment, even the IFB's should be a problem because they would contain an HDMI RX "not embedded in a ready to use fully sealed TV/projector".
Guys... Don't get pissed at Kal... As a customer, you may think he owes you some kind of explanation, but if he's dealing with the threat of legal action, that would by far trump your need to know what's going on. Kal may have gotten a cease and desist order and that order may have specifically ordered him not to discuss the issue or even the cease and desist order itself. If so, he's probably already consulting an attorney and probably won't discuss this further until he's advised it's safe to do so.
So, Chill.
SC
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject:
Phil Smith wrote:
Forum and product disappears without explanation. Kal and Curt refuse to elaborate. I'm sure this site has sold many HDFurys, and you would think it's customers deserve an explanation.
Is it safe to buy from this site?
Don't blame Kart and Curt, the same people located in another location would still be up and running.
Blame DMCA ! _________________ HKmod.com - We ship worldwide
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject:
Nashou66 wrote:
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5227/125/
U.S. Developments Demonstrate Canada's C-32 Digital Lock Rules More Restrictive Than DMCA
Monday July 26, 2010
Since the introduction of Bill C-32, I have consistently argued that the digital lock provisions are far more restrictive than what is required under the WIPO Internet treaties. Now two recent developments in the U.S. demonstrate that the Canadian proposal is also considerably more restrictive than what is found in the U.S.
First, a significant new appellate court case from the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals has concluded that the restrictions on circumventing an "access control" (ie. a digital lock that restricts access to a work rather than a copy control which restricts copying of a work) are far more limited than previously thought. With language that bears a striking similarity to those arguing circumvention should be permitted for lawful purposes, the U.S. appeals court states:
Merely bypassing a technological protection that restricts a user from viewing or using a work is insufficient to trigger the DMCA’s anti-circumvention provision. The DMCA prohibits only forms of access that would violate or impinge on the protections that the Copyright Act otherwise affords copyright owners.
In other words, the U.S. court has found that DMCA is limited to guarding access controls only to the extent that circumvention would violate the copyright rights of the copyright owner. This is very similar to what many groups have been arguing for in the context of Canadian legal reform.
Second, this morning the U.S. Copyright Office released the results of its anti-circumvention rulemaking process. The process, which runs every three years, identifies the new exceptions to its anti-circumvention rules. The recommendation covers six exceptions including circumvention of DVDs for short clips for education, documentary filmmaking, and non-commercial videos, circumvention to unlock and jailbreak cellphones, circumvention of video games for testing of security flaws, and circumvention of access controls of e-books where all available e-book editions contain restrictions of the read-aloud function.
While Bill C-32 has a similar exception for locked cellphones, the U.S. version includes both unlocking and jailbreaking to allow users to play unapproved applications on their devices. Moreover, the U.S. DVD and e-book exceptions go much further than the Canadian proposal. In the DVD context, Canadian documentary film makers have raised precisely this concern, yet the U.S. now has an exception for it and Canada would not under C-32. Similarly, the new YouTube exception in the Canadian bill - trumpted as progressive - is still subject to digital locks, while the U.S. has specific exception for it. Taken together, it becomes apparent that the Canadian rules are far more restrictive than even the U.S. DMCA.
Nice catch !
Make me wonder about having a thread with informatives data on the subject. _________________ HKmod.com - We ship worldwide
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:42 am Post subject:
Tom.W wrote:
Personally I think the digital to analog conversion hole is closing. Still not sure what the purpose of the law is ?
Well thats one benefit in not living in the US but I just don't understand who this is protecting. There cannot be that many analog devices out there now and who cares anyway (except CRT projector owners). Do products like the MUX-HD make it easier to copy the disk???
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:03 am Post subject:
Nashou66 wrote:
I agree its not Kal or Curts fault if legal issues are at hand.
Athanasios
More than likely the case. I noticed on the weekend that the Fury products had disappeared and shortly after I E-Mailed Kal asking what happened, surprisingly, he replied quite quickly and indicated pretty concisely that he couldn't go in to the specifics. I suspected then that something was afoot. The fact that the Moome V3, before it was even officially released, has disappeared as well off the site so quickly, pretty much verified our suspicions which HK Mod, of course, has since confirmed.
This may be an overreaction, but, I can't help but think though, without these benchmark items and the customers who buy them, I honestly am concerned about the future of the CP website.
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Link Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:40 am Post subject:
Ron W wrote:
This may be an overreaction, but, I can't help but think though, without these benchmark items and the customers who buy them, I honestly am concerned about the future of the CP website.
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Shows how much i know, can't believe Canada is even worse. 
There's still plenty of great products in the 3rd party vendors section. The Fury dongle was great and affordable but the internal cards aren't that much more cost-wise.
