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kal
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 Link Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: Hell is officially frozen: Toshiba's first Blu-ray player |
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| Quote: | The newly-unveiled BDX2000 will carry an SRP of $249.99 when it arrives in stores in November. The player will feature full Profile 2.0 (BD-Live) functionality, an SD card slot for memory expansion, compatibility with all Blu-ray lossless audio formats (Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD, etc) and even AVCHD playback. Interestingly, it will NOT play Toshiba's own now-defunct HD-DVD software, nor does it feature Toshiba's much-ballyhooed XDE upconverting technology. However, it doesn't need to - as a Blu-ray player it's capable of upconverting standard-definition DVD material to 1080p 24fps.
You can read more here via the company's official press release:
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/news/newsarticle.asp?newsid=218
More on Toshiba's promotional splash page for the player: http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/promopage/toshibabdx2000.html |
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| Link Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:42 am Post subject: |
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You are more than a day late. See
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| Link Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:49 am Post subject: |
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No he's not, Wan. This is an official announcement from Toshiba with model, feature, and pricing information. The article you posted was trade news about Toshiba's application to the BD Association. Two different stories. Related, but different nonetheless.
As for the player, it looks pretty nice, I'd say!
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/toshiba-bdx2000-blu-ray-player-coming-november-for-250-gives-h/
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greg_mitch
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Decent price but I don't get how they compete with models that offer so much more...
Netflix HD...cinemanow....youtube...streaming content...built-in wifi...etc.
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | Decent price but I don't get how they compete with models that offer so much more... |
A) It's their first BD player to market. B) A lot of people don't care about all that other crap.
How does Denon, Onkyo, etc. sell $500-1000 BD players that don't have all those things?
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| ecrabb wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | Decent price but I don't get how they compete with models that offer so much more... |
A) It's their first BD player to market. B) A lot of people don't care about all that other crap.
How does Denon, Onkyo, etc. sell $500-1000 BD players that don't have all those things?
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I have no clue! 
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| Link Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | Decent price but I don't get how they compete with models that offer so much more... |
A) It's their first BD player to market. B) A lot of people don't care about all that other crap.
How does Denon, Onkyo, etc. sell $500-1000 BD players that don't have all those things?
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My hand is up. I have no use for all that other crap either! I just want to watch a movie.
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | | Decent price but I don't get how they compete with models that offer so much more... |
A) It's their first BD player to market. B) A lot of people don't care about all that other crap.
How does Denon, Onkyo, etc. sell $500-1000 BD players that don't have all those things?
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My hand is up. I have no use for all that other crap either! I just want to watch a movie. |
Don't they have netflix in Canada? There is nothing better than finding movies you didn't know where out and watching them. I especially like it for documentaries and tv shows.
Of course this all assumes you have internet that can support it.
Value whore, I admit it.
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ecrabb
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I'm not going back to Netflix anytime soon - even to get the streaming - even though my new cable connection would support it in good quality. Screw them and their Blu-ray tax. Bite me, Netflix. I'd rather just get my BD's from Blockbuster. I don't have enough to even watch all the BD's I want... No reason whatsoever to stream material with PQ and SQ that's far inferior to BD.
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| Link Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | I'm not going back to Netflix anytime soon - even to get the streaming - even though my new cable connection would support it in good quality. Screw them and their Blu-ray tax. Bite me, Netflix. I'd rather just get my BD's from Blockbuster. I don't have enough to even watch all the BD's I want... No reason whatsoever to stream material with PQ and SQ that's far inferior to BD.
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I agree with you on this one SC...I have no desire to compromise quality for convenience. The Netflix CEO was on NPR’s Morning Editions today…He was really pushing streaming, oddly at the end of the interview he admitted he still prefers to watch a movie in a theater.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112339635
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greg_mitch
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I am all for streaming. I don't see why you wouldn't be.
(I didn't say I was all for compression!)
When you say FAR from BR...that is a relative term. IMO audio is the killer right now...having stereo sound is terrible.
I haven't watched any Netflix HD in the theater but it rocks in the living room. My whole point earlier was if a BR player is a BR player for the most part and you can get one that does all of this plus more for the same price...why get the one without the option....at least to mess around with?
Plus I think the LG players look nicer.
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | I am all for streaming. I don't see why you wouldn't be. |
Because, I'm all for quality. I want the best experience I can get. Unless you're talking 25 or 30mbps with GOOD surround, I'm not really interested. I didn't spend ten or fifteen grand to watch average material in my theater. Hell, I can barely stand watching HDNet on DirecTV in my theater! It's a LONG way away from Blu-ray. At least it has surround!
| greg_mitch wrote: | | When you say FAR from BR...that is a relative term. IMO audio is the killer right now...having stereo sound is terrible. |
Stereo sound isn't just terrible - it's totally unacceptable and a non-starter, IMHO. I'm not even remotely interested if it a source doesn't have at least DVD-quality audio. And I'm sorry, but anything network-delivered at 8mbps total bandwidth is FAR from BD - nothing relative about it. If your XG is even half-way decently setup, there will be an obvious and stark difference between well-crafted 30+ mbps VC1 or AVC on a BD and anything streamed at nearly HALF that data rate.
| greg_mitch wrote: | | I haven't watched any Netflix HD in the theater but it rocks in the living room. |
Go watch it in the theater, and get back to me. I didn't think it looked bad on my 24" display at the office - even with our crappy T1. Then, I tried it home on the projector... Holy sh*t, it looked like ass. Never mind. Maybe with the cable connection, it'll look better, but I doubt it will look that much better. I see stuff all the time that looks awesome on the 37" LCD in the living room, but looks like crap in the theater.
| greg_mitch wrote: | | My whole point earlier was if a BR player is a BR player for the most part and you can get one that does all of this plus more for the same price...why get the one without the option....at least to mess around with? |
I might... But, I'm a total geek. Most people aren't. Most people want to plug it in and watch movies. It's enough to expect people to have to plug in HDMI, configure the output resolution, etc... Now, you think they're going to want to spend time pulling Cat-5 to the TV... So, they can watch sh*tty YouTube videos? A few people will, but it's niche. Just like not everybody wants or needs a moonroof and GPS (sometimes even at comparable prices), not everybody will want a Blu-ray player with "streaming".
| greg_mitch wrote: | | Plus I think the LG players look nicer. |
That's your opinion. I think the Toshiba looks a bit better. Still, I think all the <$500 stuff, whether from Samsung, Toshiba, or LG all looks like cheap, plasticy, consumer HTIB junk. I'd rather buy last year's better-built piece of kit than the latest/greatest plastic price/feature leader. Give me a damn aluminum face plate screwed onto a nice chassis!
I'm probably going to wait until this year's nice players are a year old, then buy one to replace the PS3 as my primary player. So far, every damn one seems to have this issue or that issue that keeps it from being an ideal candidate. A used Marantz BD8002 might be cool in a year or two after it's not the latest/greatest. We'll see...
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kal
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| ecrabb wrote: | | No he's not, Wan. This is an official announcement from Toshiba with model, feature, and pricing information. The article you posted was trade news about Toshiba's application to the BD Association. Two different stories. Related, but different nonetheless. |
Yup. Been following the information and rumours but this is the official announcement on their first BD product.
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| ecrabb wrote: | If your XG is even half-way decently setup...
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Dammit! You found my weak spot! 
Some of these units have built-in wifi so no stringing cat5 around. Youtube is looking to add on demand movie viewing so I don't think this stuff is a fad...it is the way things are going.
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| ecrabb wrote: | No he's not, Wan. This is an official announcement from Toshiba with model, feature, and pricing information. The article you posted was trade news about Toshiba's application to the BD Association. Two different stories. Related, but different nonetheless.
As for the player, it looks pretty nice, I'd say!
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Makes little difference. Toshiba is late to the game, has a ton of competition, and the market has already gone lower-class households with competing players costing as little as $130.
Besides, who wants to welfare (ahem support) Toshiba after they dumped their HD DVD constituents? I'm still thinking of selling of my HD DVD player and movies, which I haven't touched in what seems like a year. I now have a 3rd Blu-ray player in the house.
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