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emdawgz1



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PostLink    Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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What setup method did you use? Did you watch Graham's video? It can get you some useful info you may not have.

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dturco



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PostLink    Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emdawgz1 wrote:
What setup method did you use? Did you watch Graham's video? It can get you some useful info you may not have.


I used Bill Blues guide to do the set up. I have not seen Graham's video yet. I am/was leary because it was not Marquee-centric.

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PostLink    Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dturco wrote:
Dragan Remember I am comparing this to a CRT rptv. I just want to match the picture to the Mitsubishi, which has a great picture that I love.

Ecrabb yes the raster is maxed out on the tube face and the corners are decidedly out of focus. I am floor mounted and it is the lower corners. HHmmmmm.

So shrink the raster, do more lens flapping and maybe that will be it?

Easy enough to do I'll report back.

Thanks again every one



Dave, your marquee when properly set up will kick the Mitsu's a$$!! I have a 65815 Diamond series that Craig rounds calibrated with a Lumagen HDP and it looked great, then he did my Marquee 8000 and I was blown away.

If you shrink the raster you will change your screen size and or location of your PJ. If you already ceiling mounted I would not do that. And if i remember correctly you don't have much room to work with where you want to ceiling mount it.

Since you said the lower corners are out of focus then you need to revisit the schiemphlug again. That is harder to do than the CPC magnets in my opinion. you have to keep going back and forth between screws and lens adjustments. Take a white card to the corners and move it till you get better focus, if you move it closer than you know you have to move that corner of the lens out away from the tube face more for that corner( i think thats what I did , its been so long I cant remember) , look in the tube to make sure you move the correct corner of the lens, remember the image gets flipped around inside the lens. Keep going back and forth till you get a good compromise of equal focus all around.
Dont worry too much on perect focus all around... it is very hard to do unless you have the best lens' in the HFQ 900's.


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PostLink    Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nashou thanks again.

Lets see if i understand this. Use a piece of white 3x5 card to the edge of the screen while picture is being displayed. I move that card Closer or further away from the screen till the focus is best on the card.

If I have moved the card closer to the projector then I need to to move the flapping screws inwards to adjust the lense out away from the tube face?

I also need to do this to the opposite side of the lenses compared to the screen.

So If I am looking at the right side of the screen with the card, it is the left side of the tube that gets the lense flapping?

The 9500 is still floor mounted until the NASHOU-BELLOW is installed with the Red C-Element. So are we talking this reversal for the floor mount or for ceiling mount or is it always that way? Left to right right to left corner focus?

I know these are very specific questions but the process seems to be making sense to me much more than ever before.

So either I am learning or I'm really lost. Confused

Is this covered in Graham's disc?

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PostLink    Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would *love* to see a clear explanation of exactly how to do the Scheimpflug on a Marquee. I've got mine "pretty good" but it was all trial and error. I never really understood what I was doing, but with enough stumbling in the dark (literally Smile) I finally got it good enough. I mean, I understand the concept of Scheimpflug real well, and I know how the adjustments affect it. I just have no clear process to say "oh well the left side is blurry so I should focus the center then do XXX to the YYY Scheimpflug bolt and that'll fix it." I'm sure I'm not the only one. Athanasios, if you or somebody else has a clear step-by-step procedure, please write it up in excruciating detail (I'd be happy to help, I write training for a living!) and share it with the rest of us!! We all thank you!
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PostLink    Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well having pulled the tube assembly for the Red -C-element, I see how the adjustment screws interact very clearly now. You can move the test grids/picture in many different ways by using these adjustments. Having seen the interactions has helped me envision what needs to be done /is being done. I am not suggesting anyone pull their tubes for this alone, but If you ever do it sure does clear up a very misunderstood issue. Who knows I might get this thing right after all.

I really was mostly skipping the flapping because I plain and simple did not understand it at all. I was adjusting the screws but I had Zero idea why. Now I have an inkling. Which is better than zero Wink

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PostLink    Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dturco wrote:
Well having pulled the tube assembly for the Red -C-element, I see how the adjustment screws interact very clearly now. You can move the test grids/picture in many different ways by using theses adjustment. Having seen the interactions has helped me envision what needs to be done /is being done. I am not suggesting anyone pull their tubes for this alone, but If you ever do it sure does clear up a very misunderstood issue. Who knows I might get this thing right after all.

I really was mostly skipping the flapping because I plain and simple did not understand it at all. I was adjusting the screws but I had Zero idea why. Now I have an inkling. Which is better than zero Wink


yeah once you see how they interact you kinda get an idea, the LC vs the AC have the same principle but i think the LC is a bit more difficult for some reason( I had a harder time with the LC when i had it set up) . Gary i did the same thing you did but began to understand more as I went along, i must have done it about 5 times in a row before i was happy. but each time it got better and better. This was after i put the HD 144's on, I then realized you needed to get the lens closer with washers, added them and it even got better. I need to redo this on the longbows, but like Dave its so much work i am putting it off till i get the color calibration first.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I need to redo this on the longbows, but like Dave its so much work i am putting it off till i get the color calibration first."

You need to do this first. Optical focus as well as electronic focus effects output. This is most obvious on blue, not as much as electronic but does happen.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the future readers,

Just a note for this thread. A 100" diagonal screen for a Marquee 9500 L/C with GT-17 lenses, is pretty close to as small as you can go. The GT-17 lenses were almost at the adjustment limits at this size. I have gone to a 119" diagonal screen and the lense adjustments are VERY close to the center of adjustment on the coarse focus knobs.

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