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PostLink    Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: JVC DLA-RS20 & Lumagen Radiance Review Reply with quote


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I had the opportunity to calibrate a new DLA-RS20 and install a Lumagen Radiance XE last weekend. I was so impressed with the combo that I wrote up a review. Here it is:

http://www.cir-engineering.com/rs20.php

Feel free to discuss and ask any questions.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I'll have to take some time and read through that.

FYI- your link for the RS20 is dead.
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PostLink    Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice wright up Craig, as always I always am impressed with your extensive knowledge of calibration and the various methods you use to Find and make sure you are approaching the calibration with the correct process and knowledge of the equipment and the different traits each piece of equipment may have.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great review Craig!

The Radiance is a fantastic piece of hardware. I talk about it quickly in my Greyscale & Colour Calibration Guide for Dummies as "the" best video processor to use for those looking for perfection.

Anyone looking to get one for the same price as anywhere else (dealers are not allowed to discount them - they have to sell at a set price), you can get it here through CurtPalme.com with a FREE $800 EyeOne Pro meter thrown in! (There are no rules about bundling).

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zebu Fellenz wrote:
Wow, I'll have to take some time and read through that.

FYI- your link for the RS20 is dead.

Thanks for the heads up. The link is to JVC, but their hosting capability doesn't seem to be very good!

I think I will upload the manual to my server and link to it there.

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nashou66 wrote:
Nice wright up Craig, as always I always am impressed with your extensive knowledge of calibration and the various methods you use to Find and make sure you are approaching the calibration with the correct process and knowledge of the equipment and the different traits each piece of equipment may have.

Athanasios

Thanks Tom, I try my best!

craigr

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kal wrote:
Great review Craig!

The Radiance is a fantastic piece of hardware. I talk about it quickly in my Greyscale & Colour Calibration Guide for Dummies as "the" best video processor to use for those looking for perfection...

Kal

I agree Kal and thanks for the kind words. Lumagen is the best as far as I am concerned.

craigr

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PostLink    Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Craig,

Great writeup. It sounds like you finally got the JVC looking nice with the Radiance.

But, how many hours will pass before it will all have to be recaled again because of the bulb changing? That could get expensive for your services over the life of the bulb in order to keep it looking good I would think.

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PostLink    Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good review, Craig.

What is the on/off cr and Ansi cr after calibration?
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTS wrote:
Hi Craig,

Great writeup. It sounds like you finally got the JVC looking nice with the Radiance.

But, how many hours will pass before it will all have to be recaled again because of the bulb changing? That could get expensive for your services over the life of the bulb in order to keep it looking good I would think.

Well, that depends on the degree of accuracy the viewer desires. Personally, I recommend just getting digitals tuned up 100 hours after changing the bulb. So if the bulb in the RS20 lasts 1500 hours, I'd tune it up every 1500 hours. That being said, I would suspect that once the projector is calibrated it will always remain more accurate than it was out of the box even after a new bulb.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spanky Ham wrote:
Good review, Craig.

What is the on/off cr and Ansi cr after calibration?

I have no idea. However I will say that the black level was quite dark... as dark as any digital I have seen. The RS20 was not as dark as a 9" CRT nor was it as bright as a 9" CRT on a 1.3 gain screen. For example, my G90 goes pitch black with gamma correction and I put out 13.5 flt on my ST130. This RS20 had some obvious (though subtle) glow on a black screen and it was putting out just over 11 flt on a 1.0 gain Draper M1300.

Honestly, I don't have a meter that can read light levels at black so I don't have any way to do an honest contrast ration calculation. The PR650 is not good for this. I don't worry about measured contrast ration from a calibration standpoint because there usually isn't anything I can do to make the blacks any darker on a modern digital projector. A few years ago adding a neutral density filter would improve black levels, but now with dark chips and iris' you pretty much are stuck with a fixed black point.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Craig,

Thats assuming the bulbs are identical too, but like you say it will be miles ahead of the out-off-the-box cal.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CIR Engineering wrote:
However I will say that the black level was quite dark... as dark as any digital I have seen. The RS20 was not as dark as a 9" CRT nor was it as bright as a 9" CRT on a 1.3 gain screen.

So you still prefer the image your G90 gives over this combo?

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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CIR Engineering wrote:
However I will say that the black level was quite dark... as dark as any digital I have seen. The RS20 was not as dark as a 9" CRT nor was it as bright as a 9" CRT on a 1.3 gain screen.

So you still prefer the image your G90 gives over this combo?

Yes, easily. But I will say that the gap is narrower than ever before.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CIR Engineering wrote:
Yes, easily. But I will say that the gap is narrower than ever before.


Thanks for writeup, how about comparing it with the G70?

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doubleuf wrote:
CIR Engineering wrote:
Yes, easily. But I will say that the gap is narrower than ever before.


Thanks for writeup, how about comparing it with the G70?

WF

I would personally rather have a G70 if all we are talking about is strictly image quality. The RS20 will of course be sharper (though it did look pretty film like), but the G70 just seems more natural to my eye. However, the RS20 is a new projector that is easy to set up compared to a G70 so if I were a regular hobbyist I would quite possibly choose the RS20 over a G70.

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CIR Engineering wrote:
I would personally rather have a G70 if all we are talking about is strictly image quality. The RS20 will of course be sharper (though it did look pretty film like), but the G70 just seems more natural to my eye. However, the RS20 is a new projector that is easy to set up compared to a G70 so if I were a regular hobbyist I would quite possibly choose the RS20 over a G70.


Thanks Craigr,

My G70 is broken down, while trying to repair it, I am also considering to take the chance to upgrade it a G90 or buy a digital projector. My projector has been down for a month and I am thinking getting a digital projector is quick, also I can as well take a real taste of digital projector. Even after fixing my G70, I can still have both set up and taste them both.

While G90 is certainly one of the few best CRT projector available, I just think it will make my 15 years CRT projector life a little more complete with one of the best.

It is a difficult to choose. Confused

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PostLink    Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I can imagine. I feel pretty comfortable running a G90 because anything that goes wrong with it I know I can fix. If I couldn't do component level repair I would be much more nervous about running a G90.

The digitals are easy to do a basic setup with. Plug in an RS20 and you have a respectable image. The downer with digital projector and tweakers who like to mess with their set is that there is little you can do with a digital without a Spectroradiometer. You can't even really get the color set right.

craigr

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