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cunim · Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 14

Just installed a new Moome IFB card in the G90. Nice picture at 1080i. There are problems, though.

1. Geometric alignment. At 480i, the internal patterns are fine for setting geometry. At 1080i, convergence is off in a nonlinear way. Need to use an externally generated pattern but the pj shows an internal pattern as soon as you engage any of the adjustment functions. You have to memorize the external pattern, make adjustments (which now show misconvergeance on the internal pattern), go back to the external to see what has happened, and repeat. Tedious and not very precise. Anyone know how to force viewing of an active input while making geometric adjustments?

2. 1080p does not work. Player is outputting 1080p/60. The image is dark and quite brown. Resolution is poor. Switching the player to 24fps generates a rolling image that appears to have good fidelity but the pj cannot lock to it. So, I suspect a bandwidth problem at 60 fps and a sync problem at 24fps. I don't see any option other than 1080i.

Player is good on my Kuro at 1080p/24 and 60
PJ is good at 720p
Cable is good

Any suggestions as to whether this is a problem with the Moome card or the pj? Should the pj be able to do 1080p/60?

HaydnG90 · Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 1335

1080P/60Hz is not a problem for the G90. Until my YA board went AWOL, I was getting a fantastic image at that resolution and frequency. I've not tried but I don't think the PJ will sync to 24fps.
Have you checked the settings in service menu. Make sure the clamp is set for HP or H/C (I think that's the option) and not AUTO.
Try these first and report back..

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

No PJ will sync to 24, is thier a way to set the player to do auto detect on the display? This way the moome card will send its edid for 60hz. I am not a sony guy but for doing the convergence on your machine you should use the external grid source like from DVE Blu ray. There has to be a way to use convergence with an external source, Craig Rounds( CIR-Engineering) should be able to help you.

Athanasios

cunim · Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 14

I have used both service and expert mode, but the clamp is not adjustable. I have tried altering other settings to see if that frees up the clamp, but no joy.

Yes, I am using the external signal from DVE. Also using the DVE 1080p demo materials to evaluate image quality. Works fine on 1080i. Craig, are you monitoring this?

Kipnis Studios · Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 21 Location: Redding, CT USA

cunim · Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 14

I just had a full calibration done. All my issues went away, except the 1080p. Not calibratable. I was suspecting a defect in my Moome card but your observation makes that less likely.

Kipnis Studios · Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 21 Location: Redding, CT USA

**kal** · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject:

Has anyone emailed Moome about this? Have you posted in Moome's support forum here too? Either way I've moved this thread to there as Moome doesn't follow all the threads in the CRT projectors forum.

I'm assuming you're talking about the Sony IFB-FULLHD card and not the older IFB-HD card? Both do 1080p/60 however.

He tested his card on the G90 at 1080p as did his tester who owns a G90 as well. His tester was Craig of www.CIR-Engineering.com who also owns a G90.

Have you posted in the IFB-FULLHD FAQ/support thread too? It's here: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7563

Kal

Axatax · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject:

Is there anyone here NOT having an issue with the new Sony card? I have not seen a single positive post yet (or much of any traffic at all) about this card. Problems so far: Non functional remote, non functional gamma, sync and 1080p issues.

I have mine in hand, but I have other changes to make in the equipment chain before I get around to installation.

CIR Engineering · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject:

I tested this card and had only minor problems with it. Specifically, the only problem I found with the card was that it would not do VIDEO luma levels for custom resolutions like 960p or 814p. Other than that, the card was a masterpiece and it did even do 1080p at 24Hz though this was unwatchable due to flicker... but it still displayed an image.

My card worked perfectly with 1080p at 48Hz, 60Hz, and 72Hz. It worked with RGB and YCbCr with 1080p.

However, Moome and I went back and forth about the VIDEO luma levels problems with custom resolutions that I reported to him. He mailed me an updated EDID chip that he shipped to the wrong address. I also went on a western states calibration tour and just got back yesterday. I will install the new EDID today or tomorrow probably.

A theory I have off hand is that Moome used the new EDID chip that he mailed me before I tested it and the production boards have the new EDID. I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE so we should ask him. If I start having similar problems after installing the new EDID than we will know. This may not be related to EDID at all either as it is a little atypical.

craigr

CIR Engineering · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject:

I installed the new EDID chip the Moome sent me today. He fixed the issue with PC/VIDEO luma on custom resolutions and the card still works perfectly for me. So either way, you guys are not having EDID problems as long as the chip on your cards is the same as either of the two variations I have here.

This car works perfect for me here and Moome properly addressed the one problem I reported to him.

craigr

belbucus · Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 11

I was having similar issues with installation in a G90 as I was initially trying to work with the input set to HDTV-GBR. Right away, this presented a great image at 1080i, but the same reported issues at 1080p and the clamp adjustments were not available. In fact, the clamp settings are only accessible when the input is set to RGB (also the case for my D50). Once that was changed, I found that setting the clamp to H/C rather than HP gave very nice image. A bit of follow up reading in both the Sony and Moome datasheets seem to confirm that this is the proper setup for the card.

CIR Engineering · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject:

Delicious2 · Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 24 Location: MA

CIR Engineering · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject:

Delicious2 · Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 24 Location: MA

Thanks craigr,

I use a HTPC. When I tried to run 1920 x 1080P 72Hz from my video card the G90 said "out of range". Inneresting that you can get around that with a Lumagen. It must somehow offer the pj a lower bandwidth frequency.

Good tip on the other resolutions. I have some superbly calibrated settings by Ken Whitcomb at 1920 x 1080 60Hz which I've been watching for the last few months but I'll try to get close to what he did with a 1920 x 800 at 72Hz.

peace,
Mark H

CIR Engineering · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject:

belbucus · Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 11

I have experimented with every configuration I can think of, and still can see no effect whatsoever when adjusting the gamma on the IFB-FULLHD: Sony HDMI 1.3 Input Card. It is my understanding that the remote is for coarse adjust (in what appears to be 21 steps), and the trimpot is for fine adjust.

As others have sited this as a problem, I ask - has anyone had any luck with this issue? Do I have a defective card, or do none of them work?