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[WanMan]

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Still, I do not think that is a very bright idea.

[unkyjoesa]

The GVMT can take those CFL's and shove them right up thier fat overpaid asses!

I tried them in the Kitchen, BIG MISTAKE, although I did loose 70+ lbs becuase everything I cooked had a green tint

I am more concerned with Bovine Flatulence.

You know how much CO2 all of human activity contributes to the planet wide levels of CO2? Total, all the power plants, cars etc. 3%. The rest comes from 2 main causes, Volcanoes, and rotting plant-animal matter.

Global Warming "caused by humans is bull****!" Al Gore is not a prophet, he is an idiot who consumes more KWH of electricity than 20 average US homes for his 20 room mansion.

In his defense he does buy carbon credits to ease his guilt "Of course he owns that company "

[AnalogRocks]

I noticed on vacation recently that many people have gone with the sh*tty CFL's. I CAN NOT stnd them. THey flicker like crazy and the light comming off them makes me want to squint my eyes. I hate them with the passion of a CRT puritan.

[AnalogRocks]

I noticed on vacation recently that many people have gone with the sh*tty CFL's. I CAN NOT stnd them. THey flicker like crazy and the light comming off them makes me want to squint my eyes. I hate them with the passion of a CRT puritan.

[emdawgz1]

I bought a set from Lowes. They were on Sale. I love them. Cool to the touch, nice yellow glow. No flicker, no problems.

I think if you are getting flicker you are using the old style.

Take a look @ this http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=cfls.pr_cfls

use the choose a light guide.

[AnalogRocks]

[AnalogRocks]

[garyfritz]

I don't see how you could see CFLs flicker, AR. They run in a kHz region, 20-100 kHz from what I can find. No human can see that. If you saw one that flickered, it was defective.

As for colors, there are different colors of CFLs. At my local Home Depot they have a display of 3 colors of CFL next to a standard 60W incandescent. Two of the bulbs are much "cooler" (higher color temp, including one at about 6500K), but one of them matches about precisely. I don't think you could tell the difference between the two, shining on other objects, with anything short of a colorimeter.

[Zebu Fellenz]

[unkyjoesa]

Garyfritz,

Ah yes, but the key is this, temperature increases FIRST before CO2 does, none of the so-called scientists have explained why this is the case, they simply ignore it.

Al Gore claims it is the other way around in his infomercial. But the fact remains, temp goes up first, then CO2, not the other way around.

This year at the North Pole, the claims of the sea ice dissapearing never came to pass, in fact there is more sea ice in the North Pole this year than in the last 50.

Also keep in mind the sun has been behaving a little erraticly this year, the sunspots that were supposed to appear in January were a no show. Also if you correlate the atmo temp increase with solar output over the last 100k years there is a direct correlation.

Keep in mind in 1974 Time magazine quoted scientists that we were entering a new ice age. Are you wearing your sweaters and have the heat on in the house right now, are there several feet of snow and ice covering your local town?

I am all for conservation, we all waste way to much, I love the folks with a bottle of water in one hand and a starbucks in the other, bitching at the guy driving the Hummer and wasting so much gas!

Bottle water if you bought enough of these to fill a gallon, the cost would be $16
Starbucks by the gallon $600

And we are bitching about high gas prices, feel sorry for Europe, they have had them for years, we just caught up!

Excuse me while I go start my hummer and look for a Prius to gobble up

[unkyjoesa]

One more thing,

UK Schools require that anything taught as scientific proof must have the science to back it up, go figure?

Here is what they found:

The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.

The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.

The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.

The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.

The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.

The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.

The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.

The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.

The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.

The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.

The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.

All and I mean ALL CFL's are made in China - another good reason not to buy into the CFL debate, China is now one of the largest producers of CO2, and not part of the damnable Kyoto accord.

[garyfritz]

[unkyjoesa]

I encourage you to read this article NIPCC report, it pretty much says it all.

http://heartland.temp.siteexecutive.com/pdf/22835.pdf


Or This report by Nasa:

By CLAYTON SANDELL and BILL BLAKEMORE
May 31, 2007

NASA administrator Michael Griffin is drawing the ire of his agency's preeminent climate scientists after apparently downplaying the need to combat global warming.

In an interview broadcast this morning on National Public Radio's "Morning Edition" program, Griffin was asked by NPR's Steve Inskeep whether he is concerned about global warming.

"I have no doubt that a trend of global warming exists," Griffin told Inskeep. "I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with."

"To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change," Griffin said. "I guess I would ask which human beings where and when are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take."

Griffin's comments immediately drew stunned reaction from James Hansen, NASA's top climate scientist at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.

"It's an incredibly arrogant and ignorant statement," Hansen told ABC News. "It indicates a complete ignorance of understanding the implications of climate change."

Hansen believes Griffin's comments fly in the face of well-established scientific knowledge that hundreds of NASA scientists have contributed to.

"It's unbelievable," said Hansen. "I thought he had been misquoted. It's so unbelievable."

News media inquiries to NASA headquarters about Griffin's comments prompted the space agency to make the unusual move of issuing a news release late Wednesday night.

"NASA is the world's preeminent organization in the study of Earth and the conditions that contribute to climate change and global warming," Griffin said in a statement. "The agency is responsible for collecting data that is used by the science community and policy makers as part of an ongoing discussion regarding our planet's evolving systems. It is NASA's responsibility to collect, analyze and release information. It is not NASA's mission to make policy regarding possible climate change mitigation strategies. As I stated in the NPR interview, we are proud of our role and I believe we do it well."

Hansen, featured prominently in Al Gore's global warming documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," has been warning of the potential dangers of climate change since the 1980s.

In late 2005, he accused NASA of trying to improperly censor him after he warned that Earth's climate might be approaching a dangerous "tipping point."

The agency later fired a public affairs employee, a political appointee of the Bush administration, over the incident.

Last year, many NASA scientists were upset when reports surfaced that the agency had quietly deleted the phrase "to understand and protect our home planet" from the NASA mission statement. The scientists believe research on issues like climate change will suffer as NASA shifts priorities toward exploration missions to the moon and Mars.

"Earth has always been central to NASA's science," Hansen said.

Or this article on the supposed sea ice melt:

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/arctic-ice-extent-discrepancy-nsidc-versus-cryosphere-today/
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[garyfritz]

[unkyjoesa]

Then we have to agree to disagree.

Lets come back to this in 5 years when the North Pole has finally melted, NY City is under water, and my front yard is oceanfront property.

I really bought into the Global Warming myth myself, but learned a long time ago to take so called "peer reviewed scientific evidence" with a grain of salt.

I am all for reducing polution, and reduction of fossil fuel use, but to say it is the direct cause of Global Warming and that all of us should change our lifestyle is a little far fetched.

This plannet has been here for 4.5 billion years, this period of warming is not even the blink of an eye.

I will do my part to reduce my "CARBON FOOTPRINT" however I will not be changing my lifestyle because some eggheads are claiming the sky is falling. I still remember peer reveiwed articles in the 70's showed the planet was cooling, and they are still no better at predicting the weather then they were 50 years ago, still no better than 3 days long term.

Let us end this debate and watch the planet slowly cook together in brotherhood

[WanMan]

You carbon footprint is meaningless when the billions of others will mock you with glee.

[AnalogRocks]

CFL's still suck donkey

[AnalogRocks]

CFL's still suck donkey

[WanMan]

And LED still is too expensive. MR16 LEDs start around $25/unit.

[garyfritz]

I also discovered LED lights don't like dimmer circuits. fzzzzt

[AnalogRocks]

I have most of my lights on dimmers. I seldome run flat out with any of them. I like dimming things at night just before I goto bed. Makes me sleepy.

[AnalogRocks]

I have most of my lights on dimmers. I seldome run flat out with any of them. I like dimming things at night just before I goto bed. Makes me sleepy.

[unkyjoesa]

Analog,

It also extends the life of your Incandecent light bulbs Another Plus!

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